{"id":5441,"date":"2012-10-17T21:50:39","date_gmt":"2012-10-17T20:50:39","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fjala.info\/?p=5441"},"modified":"2012-10-17T21:50:39","modified_gmt":"2012-10-17T20:50:39","slug":"intervista-e-plote-arvizu-nese-je-ne-qeveri-dhe-nuk-dialogon-atehere-ik","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fjala.info\/2009-2015\/intervista-e-plote-arvizu-nese-je-ne-qeveri-dhe-nuk-dialogon-atehere-ik\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVISTA E PLOTE\/ Arvizu: N\u00ebse je n\u00eb qeveri dhe nuk dialogon, at\u00ebher\u00eb ik"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\" TemA<\/strong>, 17 Tetor 2012<\/em><\/p>\n

\u201cPo them q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri demokratike, nj\u00eb prej detyrimeve, nj\u00eb barr\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb duhet t\u00eb qeveris\u00ebsh, t\u00eb marr\u00ebsh vendimet e v\u00ebshtira, t\u00eb b\u00ebsh dialog, me dik\u00eb q\u00eb mund t\u00eb doje ta mbysje fare, por prap\u00eb e ke detyrim; je zgjedhur p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. N\u00ebse vihesh kaq shum\u00eb n\u00eb siklet, at\u00ebhere hiq dor\u00eb nga pozicioni q\u00eb mban, at\u00ebher\u00eb ik, l\u00ebre ta b\u00ebj\u00eb dikush tjet\u00ebr<\/em>\u201d<\/p>\n

Intervista e ambasadorit t\u00eb SHBA, Aleksand\u00ebr A. Arvizu, me gazetaren Sonila Me\u00e7o nga ABC News<\/p>\n

Ashtu si n\u00eb intervist\u00ebn e kaluar q\u00eb zhvilluam n\u00eb fillim t\u00eb vitit, ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb moment i r\u00ebnd\u00ebsish\u00ebm politik p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb. Edhe kjo tani vjen n\u00eb nj\u00eb koh\u00eb intensive p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb, koh\u00eb emocionesh ambigue dhe interpretimesh ambigue p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb Shqip\u00ebria ka arritur. N\u00eb fakt, nga nj\u00eb k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrim i p\u00ebrgjithsh\u00ebm, si do ta karakterizonit k\u00ebt\u00eb moment?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Duket e tep\u00ebrt t\u00eb thuash q\u00eb \u00e7do \u00e7ast \u00ebsht\u00eb delikat apo kritik sepse t\u00eb gjitha k\u00ebshtu duken. Megjithat\u00eb, mendoj q\u00eb situata e tanishme sigurisht q\u00eb i p\u00ebrshtatet k\u00ebtij p\u00ebrkufizimi. S\u00eb pari, mendoj se ishte nj\u00eb zhvillim pozitiv q\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb iu dha statusi kandidat. Nuk e di sakt\u00ebsisht se si shprehet, me kusht apo sidoqoft\u00eb, por e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishmja \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb sh\u00ebnon nj\u00eb hap me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi p\u00ebrpara. Dhe krijon nj\u00eb shans. Mbeten ende disa pengesa p\u00ebr t\u2019u kap\u00ebrcyer, pun\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb ende, por n\u00ebse ritmi ruhet, nuk ka arsye pse ky i tanishmi t\u00eb mos jet\u00eb nj\u00eb vit v\u00ebrtet p\u00ebr t\u2019u kujtuar n\u00eb historin\u00eb e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Megjithat\u00eb duket sikur ka pasur mbivendosje t\u00eb ngjarjeve. P\u00ebrpos lajmit pozitiv p\u00ebr statusin kandidat, sot b\u00ebhen 25 dit\u00eb nga fillimi i grev\u00ebs s\u00eb ish-t\u00eb persekutuarve; gjendja e tyre sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsore po p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsohet dhe tani jan\u00eb vet\u00ebm 7 persona krahasuar me 20 q\u00eb e filluan. Edhe kushtet e motit duken se jan\u00eb p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsuar. A keni pasur kontakt me ta, p\u00ebrfshi edhe gjat\u00eb dit\u00ebs s\u00eb sotme?<\/strong><\/p>\n

N\u00eb k\u00ebto tri jav\u00eb e disa dit\u00eb, shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz n\u00eb vend, p\u00ebrfshi edhe ne n\u00eb ambasad\u00eb, jemi ng\u00ebrthyer v\u00ebrtet nga kjo dram\u00eb. Keni t\u00eb drejt\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb serioze dhe shum\u00eb e pafat. Mjek\u00ebt po thon\u00eb q\u00eb po hyjn\u00eb n\u00eb periudh\u00ebn kur trupi mund t\u00eb p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsohet me shpejt\u00ebsi. P\u00ebr sa i p\u00ebrket kontaktit sot, nuk besoj ka pasur. Kemi mbajtur kontakte t\u00eb q\u00ebndrueshme me ta gjat\u00eb gjith\u00eb k\u00ebsaj sprove. Besoj se disa nga zyrtar\u00ebt n\u00eb ambasad\u00ebn time mund t\u00eb ken\u00eb qen\u00eb n\u00eb kontakt me disa prej OJQ-ve q\u00eb i njohin ata, dhe mund t\u00eb ken\u00eb sh\u00ebrbyer si nd\u00ebrlidh\u00ebs, por me sa kam dijeni, nuk kemi pasur kontakt t\u00eb drejtp\u00ebrdrejt\u00eb sot.<\/p>\n

Z. Ambasador, ju hyt\u00eb n\u00eb \u00e7adr\u00ebn e grev\u00ebs dhe biseduat vet\u00eb me ish t\u00eb p\u00ebrndjekurit. Madje d\u00ebrguat makinat e ambasad\u00ebs p\u00ebr t\u00eb shoq\u00ebruar p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsuesit e grevist\u00ebve n\u00eb mjediset e presidenc\u00ebs. Pse e nd\u00ebrmor\u00ebt k\u00ebt\u00eb angazhim? I apeluat shoq\u00ebris\u00eb p\u00ebr mb\u00ebshtetjen e grev\u00ebs apo politik\u00ebs p\u00ebr m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn si po i adresohet asaj? Apo mos ka qen\u00eb kjo grev\u00eb edhe nj\u00eb lloj reagimi ndaj thirrjes tuaj Vepro Tani dhe ndjenit nj\u00eb lloj p\u00ebrgjegj\u00ebsie p\u00ebr t\u2019iu gjendur pran\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ishin disa pyetje tek kjo q\u00eb that\u00eb dhe po p\u00ebrpiqem t\u2019iu p\u00ebrgjigjem, jo domosdoshm\u00ebrisht sipas radh\u00ebs. Disa njer\u00ebz, p\u00ebrfshi edhe disa prej protestuesve, grevist\u00ebve t\u00eb uris\u00eb, m\u00eb kan\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb q\u00eb nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb e frym\u00ebzimit p\u00ebr t\u00eb ngritur \u00e7\u00ebshtjen e tyre vinte nga nisma Vepro Tani! K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb e imja q\u00eb e vler\u00ebson k\u00ebt\u00eb, pra q\u00eb ka frym\u00ebzuar disa qytetar\u00eb t\u00eb shprehin shqet\u00ebsimet e tyre. Megjithat\u00eb, do parap\u00eblqeja q\u00eb t\u00eb mos ishte n\u00eb form\u00ebn e grevave t\u00eb uris\u00eb dhe sigurisht jo n\u00eb form\u00ebn e vet\u00eb-djegies. Ka t\u00eb tjera m\u00ebnyra p\u00ebr t\u00eb shprehur pik\u00ebpamjet.<\/p>\n

P\u00ebr sa i p\u00ebrket vendimit p\u00ebr t\u2019i vizituar \u2013 vizita e par\u00eb ishte p\u00ebr t\u00eb d\u00ebgjuar, p\u00ebr t\u00eb shkuar tek ta pa ndonj\u00eb koncept t\u00eb paramenduar. Vet\u00ebkuptohet q\u00eb i b\u00ebra pak detyrat e sht\u00ebpis\u00eb, p\u00ebr t\u00eb kuptuar sa mundesha historikun e individ\u00ebve t\u00eb persekutuar, ish t\u00eb burgosurve politik\u00eb, por n\u00eb thelb ishte p\u00ebr t\u00eb d\u00ebgjuar at\u00eb \u00e7ka kishin p\u00ebr t\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb. Kisha lexuar disa lajme ku thuhej se i b\u00ebnin thirrje bashk\u00ebsis\u00eb nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtare, ambasad\u00ebs s\u00eb SHBA dhe mua specifikisht. Jam mjaft i ngarkuar, por p\u00ebr k\u00ebto gj\u00ebra kam koh\u00eb. Doja t\u00eb shkoja t\u00eb d\u00ebgjoja. M\u00eb pas, vizita e dyt\u00eb pasoi tentativ\u00ebn p\u00ebr vet\u00eb-djegien nga Z. Gjergj Ndreca.<\/p>\n

Nuk e di n\u00ebse ju kujtohet ai imazh. U kap n\u00eb aparat dhe imazhet arrit\u00ebn n\u00eb SHBA. Teksa p\u00ebrpiqej t\u2019i vinte zjarrin vetes, kishte v\u00ebn\u00eb nj\u00eb shall n\u00eb ball\u00eb ku ishte flamuri i SHBA. Disa njer\u00ebz m\u00eb kan\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb q\u00eb disa persona n\u00eb at\u00eb tend\u00eb kan\u00eb flamuj amerikan\u00eb sepse p\u00ebr ta, flamuri i SHBA p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebson nj\u00eb simbol lirie, demokracie. Ka njer\u00ebz q\u00eb do thon\u00eb: ej, shiko tani, ajo ishte p\u00ebr teat\u00ebr, p\u00ebr shfaqje politike. K\u00ebt\u00eb nuk e di. Nuk isha atje p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjykuar, por ja tek jam, jam ambasadori amerikan dhe e shoh at\u00eb imazh. Si mund t\u00eb mos shkoja? K\u00ebshtu, u ktheva n\u00eb tend\u00ebn e tyre at\u00eb dit\u00eb dhe iu thash\u00eb: e mb\u00ebshtes plot\u00ebsisht t\u00eb drejt\u00ebn tuaj p\u00ebr t\u2019u d\u00ebgjuar, por t\u00eb l\u00ebndoni veten apo t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb rruga e duhur. E b\u00ebra shum\u00eb t\u00eb qart\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb. Kjo ishte gj\u00ebja e par\u00eb q\u00eb thash\u00eb.<\/p>\n

M\u00eb pas shkuam drejtp\u00ebrdrejt n\u00eb spitalin N\u00ebn\u00eb Tereza, fol\u00ebm shkurt me mjekun q\u00eb po kujdesej p\u00ebr Z. Ndreca dhe m\u00eb pas hym\u00eb aty ku ishte ai vet\u00eb, n\u00eb reanimacion. I thash\u00eb: Gjergj, a m\u00eb d\u00ebgjon dot? B\u00ebri me shenj\u00eb q\u00eb po. Gj\u00ebja e par\u00eb q\u00eb thash\u00eb ishte: Do t\u00eb doja v\u00ebrtet shum\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb mos ia kishe b\u00ebr\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb vetes; m\u00eb pas zhvilluam nj\u00eb bised\u00eb. Ishte nj\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje nga ana ime p\u00ebr t\u00eb p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb nj\u00eb ndjesi shqet\u00ebsimi, p\u00ebr t\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb: shiko, nuk jemi n\u00eb pozita t\u00eb tilla p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb shum\u00eb, por n\u00ebse lipset t\u00eb d\u00ebgjojm\u00eb, k\u00ebt\u00eb sigurisht mund ta b\u00ebjm\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Meqen\u00ebse p\u00ebrmend\u00ebt imazhet, Z. Arvizu, aktet ekstreme t\u00eb vet\u00eb-djegies, t\u00eb cilat nj\u00eb pjes\u00eb e medias u p\u00ebrpoq t\u00eb vinte paralele me raste n\u00eb vende t\u00eb tjera ku ka qen\u00eb synim nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtarizimi apo b\u00ebrja publike e nj\u00eb denoncimi. Shpesh kan\u00eb marr\u00eb edhe konotacione fondamentaliste p\u00ebr m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn si publiku p\u00ebrballet me to. A e ndihmon nj\u00eb akt i till\u00eb kauz\u00ebn e tyre apo e d\u00ebmton at\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mendoj se cilado qoft\u00eb kauza, sado fisnike, apo sado fort t\u00eb besojn\u00eb njer\u00ebzit n\u00eb t\u00eb, ai lloj akti, ku n\u00eb thelb je duke shprehur vullnetin p\u00ebr t\u2019i dh\u00ebn\u00eb fund jet\u00ebs t\u00ebnde, duhet par\u00eb si ekstrem. Nuk mendoj se ka shum\u00eb rrethana apo situata ku nj\u00eb gj\u00eb e till\u00eb do t\u2019i p\u00ebrmir\u00ebsonte gj\u00ebrat. Duket thjesht nj\u00eb akt aq ekstrem dhe do doja t\u00eb mendoja q\u00eb, edhe pse vazhdoj t\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqem t\u00eb kuptoj historikun e k\u00ebsaj \u00e7\u00ebshtjeje specifike, e cila do pranuar \u00ebsht\u00eb mjaft komplekse, duhet t\u00eb ket\u00eb patjet\u00ebr nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb se sa t\u00eb arrish tek dhuna ndaj vetes p\u00ebr t\u00eb shprehur ankesat q\u00eb mund t\u00eb kesh, pavar\u00ebsisht n\u00ebse jan\u00eb apo jo legjitime.<\/p>\n

Greva konsiderohet ekonomike nga protagonist\u00ebt e saj e megjithat\u00eb nuk kan\u00eb munguar thirrjet dhe akuzat politike, madje nominative. Maxhoranca e cil\u00ebson politike, duke m\u00ebtuar se ka realizuar me sa \u00ebsht\u00eb e mundur premtimet ekonomike-financiare t\u00eb k\u00ebsaj kategorie. Ju a i keni dh\u00ebn\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrcaktim k\u00ebsaj greve tashm\u00eb q\u00eb kan\u00eb kaluar m\u00eb shum\u00eb se tri jav\u00eb?<\/p>\n

P\u00ebr t\u2019iu p\u00ebrgjigjur k\u00ebsaj pyetjeje, a mund t\u00eb ofroj nj\u00eb historik t\u00eb shkurt\u00ebr?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Sigurisht.<\/p>\n

Faleminderit. Kam sjell\u00eb me vete nj\u00eb material reference. Disa njer\u00ebz than\u00eb q\u00eb duhet t\u00eb kesh shum\u00eb statistika, informacion p\u00ebr historikun, letra. Kur ju pat\u00ebt mir\u00ebsin\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00eb ftonit sot, mendova se kisha nevoj\u00eb vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr nj\u00eb cop\u00eb let\u00ebr. Po e shpjegoj. Mendoj disa prej shikuesve tuaj e din\u00eb q\u00eb kam sh\u00ebrbyer m\u00eb par\u00eb n\u00eb Kamboxhia; n\u00eb fakt, kam qen\u00eb numri dy i ambasad\u00ebs son\u00eb n\u00eb Kamboxhia dhjet\u00eb vjet m\u00eb par\u00eb. Gjat\u00eb koh\u00ebs kur sh\u00ebrbeja atje, nj\u00eb prej \u00e7\u00ebshtjeve t\u00eb m\u00ebdha ishin gjyqet e ish udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsve t\u00eb Khmerit t\u00eb Kuq. Kam lexuar shum\u00eb libra p\u00ebr Kamboxhian, ashtu si\u00e7 jam p\u00ebrpjekur t\u00eb lexoj disa p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb kuptuar m\u00eb mir\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Pak pasi filloi greva e uris\u00eb k\u00ebtu dhe pas vet\u00ebdjegies s\u00eb par\u00eb, shkova n\u00eb nj\u00eb raft librash n\u00eb sht\u00ebpi dhe nxora nj\u00eb lib\u00ebr prej tij. Fillova ta rilexoja. E pata lexuar shum\u00eb vite m\u00eb par\u00eb dhe doja ta lexoja p\u00ebrs\u00ebri. Doja vet\u00ebm t\u2019jua tregoja, n\u00ebse mund t\u2019ia drejtoj kamer\u00ebs. Ky lib\u00ebr quhet Z\u00ebra nga S-21. \u00cbsht\u00eb shkruar nga nj\u00eb prej studiuesve m\u00eb t\u00eb shquar p\u00ebr genocidin kamboxhian dhe quhet Terror dhe Histori n\u00eb Burgun Privat t\u00eb Pol Potit. Kur e pata lexuar librin dhjet\u00eb vjet m\u00eb par\u00eb, m\u00eb b\u00ebri t\u00eb qaja shum\u00eb her\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Kur e lexova disa dit\u00eb m\u00eb par\u00eb, qava prap\u00eb. Iu k\u00ebrkoj njer\u00ebzve vet\u00ebm t\u00eb shohin foton e k\u00ebsaj vajze kamboxhiane. Ka vdekur. Po t\u00eb ishte gjall\u00eb, do ishte mendoj ndoshta 55 apo 60 vje\u00e7 \u2013 n\u00eb mosh\u00ebn time. Ajo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb statistik\u00eb. N\u00eb nj\u00eb kuptim po, por ky k\u00ebtu \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb person q\u00eb u vra. N\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, n\u00eb historin\u00eb shum\u00eb t\u00eb trisht\u00eb dhe tragjike t\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, n\u00eb regjimin vrastar t\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs, u vran\u00eb me mij\u00ebra dhe u burgos\u00ebn m\u00eb tep\u00ebr se aq. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb p\u00ebr mua, ishte me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi t\u00eb vendosja nj\u00eb lloj rilidhjeje me di\u00e7ka q\u00eb un\u00eb e kuptoj mir\u00eb, t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn k\u00ebshtu mendoj, n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb mos mendoja p\u00ebr 14 personat, apo 3,000 personat, apo 12,000 personat. Kemi d\u00ebgjuar shum\u00eb shifra. E kuptoj, kan\u00eb vendin e tyre edhe shifrat, por p\u00ebr mua personalisht, p\u00ebr Shtetet e Bashkuara si vend, nuk jan\u00eb statistika.<\/p>\n

K\u00ebta jan\u00eb njer\u00ebz dhe nuk jam n\u00eb pozita p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjykuar vlefshm\u00ebrin\u00eb e k\u00ebtij pretendimi apo kund\u00ebrpretendimit apo pretendimit ndaj kund\u00ebrpretendimit. Thjesht po p\u00ebrpiqem ta shoh nga k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrimi njer\u00ebzor. Mua m\u00eb duket se disa prej njer\u00ebzve p\u00ebr t\u00eb cil\u00ebt flasim, p\u00ebr \u00e7far\u00ebdo arsyeje, jan\u00eb posa\u00e7\u00ebrisht t\u00eb c\u00ebnuesh\u00ebm. Jan\u00eb nd\u00ebr njer\u00ebzit m\u00eb t\u00eb c\u00ebnuesh\u00ebm n\u00eb shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb shqiptare ndaj ndjeva se ishte me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi q\u00eb t\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqesha p\u00ebr t\u2019iu qasur nga k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrimi i duhur. N\u00ebse k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrimi \u00ebsht\u00eb ai i duhuri, at\u00ebher\u00eb ke mund\u00ebsi ta analizosh di\u00e7ka si duhet dhe ndoshta edhe t\u00eb jap\u00ebsh k\u00ebshill\u00eb, apo rekomandime q\u00eb mund t\u00eb ndihmojn\u00eb zgjidhjen e nj\u00eb problemi duksh\u00ebm humanitar.<\/p>\n

Si e komentoni trajtimin q\u00eb po i b\u00ebn politika k\u00ebsaj greve n\u00eb funksion t\u00eb zgjidhjes s\u00eb situat\u00ebs? I referohem respektivisht maxhoranc\u00ebs, opozit\u00ebs apo edhe forcave t\u00eb tjera politike jasht\u00eb koalicioneve aktuale. Mendoni se i jan\u00eb p\u00ebrqasur p\u00ebr ta zgjidhur, apo mendoni, si\u00e7 ka raportuar media, se ka nj\u00eb perceptim p\u00ebrdorimi politik t\u00eb nj\u00eb teme n\u00eb t\u00eb cil\u00ebn njer\u00ebzit duhet t\u00eb ballafaqohen me njer\u00ebzit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

M\u00eb lejo t\u2019i p\u00ebrgjigjem n\u00eb dy pjes\u00eb. E di q\u00eb mes akuzave dhe kund\u00ebrakuzave ka pasur sulme p\u00ebr manipulim. \u00cbsht\u00eb ndoshta fjala, p\u00ebrve\u00e7 fjal\u00ebve i burgosur politik \u2013 fjala q\u00eb d\u00ebgjon m\u00eb shpesh sot \u00ebsht\u00eb manipulimi politik \u2013 pra q\u00eb k\u00ebta njer\u00ebz po manipulohen nga ky grup apo ky tjetri. Njer\u00ebzit m\u00eb kan\u00eb pyetur shpesh: a nuk mendon se po manipulohen? Dhe un\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigjem: nuk po p\u00ebrpiqem t\u00eb b\u00ebj t\u00eb v\u00ebshtirin apo t\u00eb pahijshmin, por e v\u00ebrteta \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb nuk mendoj shum\u00eb p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. P\u00ebr mua nuk ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi kjo pyetje. N\u00ebse do isha kryeministri, presidenti, kreu i opozit\u00ebs, ndoshta mund t\u00eb kishte lidhje.<\/p>\n

Por p\u00ebr mua, kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb di\u00e7ka q\u00eb m\u00eb shqet\u00ebson v\u00ebrtet. P\u00ebr mua, n\u00eb thelb, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pyetje q\u00eb s\u2019ka fare r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi, dhe k\u00ebt\u00eb e them me nj\u00eb ndjenj\u00eb kujdesi, por edhe me shum\u00eb respekt p\u00ebr ndjenjat e njer\u00ebzve. Tek jam p\u00ebrpjekur t\u00eb m\u00ebsoj m\u00eb shum\u00eb p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje n\u00eb ve\u00e7anti, kam arritur t\u00eb kuptoj q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pik\u00eb shum\u00eb e ndjeshme p\u00ebr shum\u00eb e shum\u00eb shqiptar\u00eb. \u00cbsht\u00eb si nj\u00eb nerv i hapur \u2013 e prek dhe ngacmohet nj\u00eb reagim shum\u00eb i fort\u00eb, sidomos mes njer\u00ebzve q\u00eb ose kan\u00eb qen\u00eb t\u00eb burgosur politik\u00eb ose familjet e t\u00eb cil\u00ebve mund t\u00eb num\u00ebrohen mes familjeve t\u00eb ashtuquajtura t\u00eb persekutuara. P\u00ebrs\u00ebris, pozita ime dhe ajo e Shteteve t\u00eb Bashkuara nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u00eb mbahet nj\u00eb q\u00ebndrim lidhur me baz\u00ebn e k\u00ebtij argumenti kund\u00ebr nj\u00eb tjetri.<\/p>\n

Kam thuajse dy vjet n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri dhe kam m\u00ebsuar dhe, fatkeq\u00ebsisht t\u00eb pranoj, q\u00eb gj\u00ebrat politizohen shum\u00eb leht\u00eb k\u00ebtu. Ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb ngrem\u00eb z\u00ebrin por n\u00eb fund prap\u00eb ngelet dhe e shohim nj\u00eb gj\u00eb t\u00eb till\u00eb edhe n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje. Ajo q\u00eb po p\u00ebrpiqem t\u00eb b\u00ebj, sadopak, \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u00eb hyjm\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb, si\u00e7 that\u00eb ju, ndoshta t\u00eb ndihmojm\u00eb p\u00ebr zgjidhjen e disa prej ankesave n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet dialogut, diskutimit. Nuk k\u00ebrkojm\u00eb t\u00eb jemi nj\u00eb nd\u00ebrmjet\u00ebs apo arbiter; interesi yn\u00eb p\u00ebr ta b\u00ebr\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb zero. Nuk e kemi ekspertiz\u00ebn e duhur. Nuk e kemi as d\u00ebshir\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb di\u00e7ka q\u00eb duhet ta zgjidhin shqiptar\u00ebt. Por, prej mb\u00ebrritjes sime k\u00ebtu dy vjet m\u00eb par\u00eb, e di q\u00eb disa her\u00eb, p\u00ebr mir\u00eb a p\u00ebr keq, bashk\u00ebsia nd\u00ebrkomb\u00ebtare, Shtetet e Bashkuara n\u00eb ve\u00e7anti, mund t\u00eb luajn\u00eb rolin, le t\u00eb themi, e nj\u00eb ure p\u00ebr t\u00eb leht\u00ebsuar komunikimin. K\u00ebt\u00eb po p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb b\u00ebjm\u00eb; jo t\u00eb nd\u00ebrmjet\u00ebsojm\u00eb, por t\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb leht\u00ebsojm\u00eb nj\u00eb lloj komunikimi. Dhe, p\u00ebr t\u2019iu p\u00ebrgjigjur m\u00eb drejtp\u00ebrdrejt pyetjes tuaj \u2013 p\u00ebrs\u00ebris, nuk dua t\u00eb paragjykoj asnj\u00eb prej q\u00ebndrimeve, as t\u00eb kritikoj k\u00ebt\u00eb apo at\u00eb pal\u00eb \u2013 mendoj v\u00ebrtet q\u00eb qeveria mund t\u00eb b\u00ebnte nj\u00eb pun\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb komunikuar me njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb e kan\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb ankes\u00eb, n\u00eb ve\u00e7anti. Ndoqa Ministrin Halimi n\u00eb programin e Blendit mbr\u00ebm\u00eb dhe pash\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrmbledhje t\u00eb gj\u00ebrave q\u00eb tha. Mendoj doli mir\u00eb. Paraqiti argumentet e tij me forc\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Ishte edhe sot n\u00eb Komisionin e Ligjeve n\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigje t\u00eb k\u00ebrkes\u00ebs s\u00eb opozit\u00ebs p\u00ebr t\u00eb folur mbi zbatimin e ligjit prej vitit 2007 dhe m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn si ka funksionuar d\u00ebmshp\u00ebrblimi.<\/p>\n

P\u00ebrs\u00ebris, s\u00eb pari, Ministri Halimi \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mik. Punojm\u00eb shum\u00eb ngusht\u00eb ndaj kam prirjen t\u00eb mendoj mir\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb. Por mendova q\u00eb ia doli t\u00eb paraqiste argumentet p\u00ebr \u00e7ka ai mendonte t\u00eb b\u00ebnte. Disa dit\u00eb m\u00eb par\u00eb ishte nj\u00eb zot\u00ebri nga Ministria e Financave, s\u2019e mbaj mend emrin, por mendoj ishte Sekretari i P\u00ebrgjithsh\u00ebm\u2026<\/p>\n

Z. Teliti\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

dhe ai po ashtu shpjegoi se \u00e7far\u00eb ka b\u00ebr\u00eb qeveria. N\u00eb rregull. Por, mendoj q\u00eb ajo q\u00eb do arrinte m\u00eb shum\u00eb se \u00e7do gj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00ebse dikush nga qeveria, n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb pik\u00eb, qoft\u00eb edhe me kaq pak materiale reference, dmth asgj\u00eb, p\u00ebr sa i p\u00ebrket dokumenteve. Thjesht shko atje dhe d\u00ebgjo. Nuk e kam n\u00eb kuptimin e kapitullimit apo t\u00eb lutesh n\u00eb gjunj\u00eb. S\u2019dua t\u00eb them k\u00ebt\u00eb, por me besim. Ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb njer\u00ebzit duan vet\u00ebm t\u2019i d\u00ebgjosh. Dhe, e fundit q\u00eb do thoja lidhur me k\u00ebt\u00eb, meqen\u00ebse ka zgjatur \u2013 that\u00eb se jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb rreth 25 dit\u00eb \u2013 \u00ebsht\u00eb e qart\u00eb q\u00eb njer\u00ebzit jan\u00eb t\u00eb cfilitur: n\u00eb radh\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb, grevist\u00ebt, por mendoj shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz jan\u00eb t\u00eb tejlodhur: qeveria q\u00eb po merret me k\u00ebt\u00eb; presidenti; avokati i popullit; gazetar\u00ebt q\u00eb raportojn\u00eb lajmin. Pra, njer\u00ebzit po lodhen, nervat po tendosen gjithnj\u00eb e m\u00eb shum\u00eb, dhe po shohim nj\u00eb retorik\u00eb t\u00eb padobishme nga vet\u00eb grevist\u00ebt. Jan\u00eb t\u00eb frustruar; thon\u00eb q\u00eb ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me kushtet e tyre ekonomike, gjendjen shum\u00eb t\u00eb keqe ku ndodhen \u2013 nuk ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me politik\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

Por kur i drejton sharje kryeministrit dhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebve, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se ndihmon dhe aq; e politizon. Nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb, kur zyrtar\u00eb t\u00eb lart\u00eb t\u00eb qeveris\u00eb, nga ana tjet\u00ebr, duan t\u00eb theksojn\u00eb di\u00e7ka, dhe arrijn\u00eb drejtojn\u00eb edhe ata sharje, duke th\u00ebn\u00eb se jan\u00eb t\u00eb manipuluar \u2013 p\u00ebrs\u00ebris, thelbi nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb n\u00ebse kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb apo jo e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. Pra, aktualisht, po p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb gjejm\u00eb m\u00ebnyra q\u00eb t\u00eb nxisim njer\u00ebzit t\u00eb ndalojn\u00eb sharjet, t\u00eb ulin temperaturat, thjesht t\u00eb merren me situat\u00ebn, p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb. Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb shenj\u00eb dob\u00ebsie. \u00cbsht\u00eb shenj\u00eb force. N\u00ebse dikush \u2013 burr\u00eb a grua \u2013 nga qeveria, nj\u00eb z\u00ebvend\u00ebs-minist\u00ebr, shef kabineti nga nj\u00eb ministri q\u00eb merret me \u00e7\u00ebshtjen, do t\u00eb shkonte tek \u00e7adrat nes\u00ebr\u2026<\/p>\n

Pse mendoni se do mjaftonte, Z. Ambasador? K\u00ebrkesat jan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb t\u00eb qarta dhe disa jan\u00eb t\u00eb panegociueshme p\u00ebr grevist\u00ebt. Qeveria mendon se ka b\u00ebr\u00eb shum\u00eb, m\u00eb tep\u00ebr se sa PS-ja kur kjo ishte n\u00eb pushtet, si\u00e7 kjo vet\u00eb ka pranuar se ka b\u00ebr\u00eb pak ose aspak p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb kategori. N\u00eb fakt, ka kompensuar persekutor\u00ebt, ish-bllokmen\u00ebt, n\u00eb vend t\u00eb t\u00eb persekutuarve. Pse mendoni se ky ballafaqim, kjo e par\u00eb sy m\u00eb sy do t\u00eb mjaftonte?<\/p>\n

\u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb pyetje shum\u00eb e drejt\u00eb dhe m\u00eb sjell n\u00eb mend nj\u00eb analogji. K\u00ebrkoj ndjes\u00eb sepse mund t\u00eb duket pa lidhje me nj\u00eb diskutim kaq serioz, por mendoni p\u00ebr djemt\u00eb dhe vajzat kur jan\u00eb n\u00eb shkoll\u00eb t\u00eb mesme. Si djal\u00eb, sheh nj\u00eb vajz\u00eb q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb e men\u00e7ur, e njohur, e bukur dhe do q\u00eb ta ftosh t\u00eb dilni bashk\u00eb. Por, m\u00eb shiko mua, s\u2019jam as fort i gjat\u00eb, mes t\u00eb tjerash\u2026 \u00cbsht\u00eb e leht\u00eb t\u00eb thuash: mos u b\u00ebj budalla, nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb q\u00eb njer\u00ebzit thon\u00eb: po nuk e provove s\u2019ke p\u00ebr ta ditur kurr\u00eb. Po vazhdoj edhe p\u00ebr pak \u00e7aste me analogjin\u00eb me takimet e djemve me vajzat, n\u00eb jet\u00ebn time kam pasur surpriza. Kishte plot vajza q\u00eb m\u00eb kan\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb: ik ore, s\u2019dua t\u00eb t\u00eb shoh m\u00eb me sy. Por kishte edhe nga ato q\u00eb than\u00eb, patjet\u00ebr, do m\u00eb p\u00eblqente t\u00eb shkonim n\u00eb kinema apo di\u00e7ka tjet\u00ebr. Pra, n\u00ebse nuk provon, si mund ta marr\u00ebsh vesh? Ajo q\u00eb ngrit\u00ebt ju, duke pasur parasysh k\u00ebrkesat, ato q\u00eb kan\u00eb th\u00ebn\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb mjedis armiq\u00ebsor. Edhe un\u00eb do stepesha, por \u00e7far\u00eb do humb\u00ebsh? Faqen? Se s\u2019do dukesh m\u00eb i fort\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ndoshta, Z. Ambasador, ka edhe nj\u00eb aspekt tjet\u00ebr, respektimi i ligjit, mjetet demokratike n\u00eb dispozicion t\u00eb pal\u00ebve. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb rast, grevist\u00ebt kan\u00eb k\u00ebrkesat e tyre, kemi qeverin\u00eb q\u00eb m\u00ebton se zbaton ligjin. Ka nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb q\u00eb quhet precedent. N\u00ebse \u00e7do grup shoq\u00ebror n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, me probleme t\u00eb mprehta, ndoshta jo aq t\u00eb mprehta sa t\u00eb t\u00eb persekutuarve, zgjedhin k\u00ebt\u00eb form\u00eb greve urie dhe veprimeve ekstreme me djegie. Po marr nj\u00eb shembull konkret. Shqip\u00ebria ka p\u00ebr t\u00eb marr\u00eb statusin kandidat, duhet p\u00ebrmbushur nj\u00eb kusht, ai i ligjit p\u00ebr Gjykat\u00ebn e Lart\u00eb. Le t\u00eb themi q\u00eb nj\u00eb grup njer\u00ebzish hyjn\u00eb n\u00eb grev\u00eb urie dhe i k\u00ebrkojn\u00eb Z. Rama t\u00eb votoj\u00eb ligjin. Sigurisht s\u2019ka asnj\u00eb ekuivalenc\u00eb mes t\u00eb dyjave, por e p\u00ebrdor p\u00ebr par\u00eb veprimet e mundshme n\u00eb nj\u00eb rreth vicioz drejt cil\u00ebsdo force q\u00eb mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb n\u00eb pushtet.<\/p>\n

Kur mendon p\u00ebr dallimet mes nj\u00eb qeverie, partis\u00eb n\u00eb pushtet dhe opozit\u00ebs, ka mij\u00ebra, ndoshta miliona. E kush do q\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb n\u00eb opozit\u00eb? Mendoj k\u00ebtu edhe p\u00ebr SHBA, ku debati i dyt\u00eb presidencial do t\u00eb zhvillohet pas pak or\u00ebsh. Duket se rezultati do jet\u00eb i af\u00ebrt. Do diskutojm\u00eb edhe k\u00ebtu. Por nj\u00eb pik\u00eb e thjesht\u00eb q\u00eb do t\u00eb ngrija \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri demokratike, ku ka nj\u00eb qeveri t\u00eb zgjedhur demokratikisht, si\u00e7 \u00ebsht\u00eb rasti i Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, \u00ebsht\u00eb detyrimi i qeveris\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb qeveria e t\u00eb gjith\u00eb vendit, jo vet\u00ebm e popullsis\u00eb q\u00eb votojn\u00eb p\u00ebr ty. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb, e kuptoj q\u00eb kur t\u00eb filloj\u00eb fushata \u2013 ka disa q\u00eb thon\u00eb ka filluar tashm\u00eb \u2013 duhet t\u00eb b\u00ebsh disa gj\u00ebra t\u00eb caktuara p\u00ebr t\u2019iu drejtuar baz\u00ebs s\u00eb mb\u00ebshtetjes.<\/p>\n

Me shpres\u00eb, e zgjeron k\u00ebt\u00eb apo arrin t\u00eb marr\u00ebsh t\u00eb pavendosurit, por, n\u00ebse je qeveria, nuk je qeveria vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr pjes\u00ebn blu t\u00eb shoq\u00ebris\u00eb. Z. Mziu dhe njer\u00ebzit n\u00eb Kam\u00ebz mund t\u00eb jen\u00eb mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit m\u00eb t\u00eb besuesh\u00ebm dhe sigurisht q\u00eb mb\u00ebshtetjen do ta k\u00ebrkosh n\u00eb bulevardin blu q\u00eb kan\u00eb ata ver\u00ebn tjet\u00ebr, por je edhe qeveria q\u00eb p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebson qytetar\u00ebt q\u00eb jan\u00eb n\u00eb mes t\u00eb zonave socialiste, apo \u00e7do pjese tjet\u00ebr. Nuk dua t\u00eb them di\u00e7ka aq te thjesht\u00ebzuar, q\u00eb mund t\u00eb ting\u00eblloj\u00eb si kot, por e kam absolutisht seriozisht k\u00ebt\u00eb.<\/p>\n

K\u00ebt\u00eb dua t\u00eb them kur flas p\u00ebr ndryshim n\u00eb q\u00ebndrime. Mendoj se \u00ebsht\u00eb e drejt\u00eb t\u00eb thuhet q\u00eb Shtetet e Bashkuara \u2013 dhe kam besim k\u00ebt\u00eb mendojn\u00eb edhe shum\u00eb prej kryeqyteteve europiane q\u00eb, n\u00eb k\u00ebto \u00e7aste, jan\u00eb duke shqyrtuar statusin kandidat p\u00ebr Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb, pra hapat e m\u00ebtejsh\u00ebm. Shohin stilin e qeverisjes k\u00ebtu, cil\u00ebsin\u00eb e dialogut. Do ket\u00eb disa njer\u00ebz n\u00eb partin\u00eb n\u00eb pushtet q\u00eb do t\u00eb thon\u00eb: si shum\u00eb po na bie n\u00eb qaf\u00eb. Dhe p\u00ebrgjigja ime \u00ebsht\u00eb, po t\u00eb shoh\u00ebsh gjith\u00e7ka kam th\u00ebn\u00eb n\u00eb intervista t\u00eb ndryshme k\u00ebtu, do gjesh q\u00eb nuk e mbaj me hat\u00ebr opozit\u00ebn. As k\u00ebtu nuk po e b\u00ebj k\u00ebt\u00eb. Jo. Cilido q\u00eb kalon 24 or\u00eb n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri e di q\u00eb opozita mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb pjes\u00eb e zgjidhjes, por mund t\u00eb jet\u00eb edhe pjes\u00eb e problemit.<\/p>\n

A \u00ebsht\u00eb opozita pjes\u00eb e zgjidhjes n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn si po i qaset \u00e7\u00ebshtjes? I b\u00ebt\u00eb thirrje qeveris\u00eb t\u00eb gjej\u00eb nj\u00eb zgjidhje. A po ofron nj\u00eb zgjidhje opozita?<\/strong><\/p>\n

P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje specifike?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po.<\/p>\n

T\u00eb flas ndershm\u00ebrisht, krahasuar me \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb tjera, nuk e kam par\u00eb opozit\u00ebn t\u00eb angazhohet aq shum\u00eb sa mund t\u00eb mendohej. Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se i kan\u00eb p\u00ebrkeq\u00ebsuar gj\u00ebrat duksh\u00ebm me sa mund t\u00eb shoh un\u00eb. Mendoj se n\u00eb radh\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb \u2013 mund ta kem gabim \u2013 ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me situat\u00ebn thuajse unike q\u00eb paraqitet n\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtjen e ish t\u00eb persekutuarve. Mendoj q\u00eb \u00e7do shqiptar q\u00eb e sheh e kupton shum\u00eb m\u00eb mir\u00eb se sa un\u00eb se \u00e7\u2019dua t\u00eb them. Me pak fjal\u00eb, shum\u00eb prej personave ish t\u00eb persekutuar kan\u00eb nj\u00eb antipati t\u00eb fort\u00eb ndaj komunizmit; mendoj \u00ebsht\u00eb e drejt\u00eb t\u00eb thuhet se nj\u00eb p\u00ebrqindje e madhe e tyre jan\u00eb mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebs t\u00eb PD-s\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Ndjej se nj\u00eb arsye pse kjo \u00e7\u00ebshtje e posa\u00e7me ngacmon nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigje thuajse emocionale nga ana e disa njer\u00ebzve n\u00eb qeveri, njer\u00ebzve pran\u00eb qeveris\u00eb, mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebs t\u00eb koalicionit qeveris\u00ebs, termi q\u00eb kam d\u00ebgjuar \u00ebsht\u00eb: tradh\u00ebti! Si mund ta b\u00ebjn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb? Ata thon\u00eb q\u00eb ne, PD-ja, q\u00eb n\u00eb fillim edhe tani \u2013 kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb se kushdo tjet\u00ebr p\u00ebr ju. Kam par\u00eb njer\u00ebz n\u00eb lot, thuajse duke u dridhur. P\u00ebrs\u00ebris, nuk po gjykoj.<\/p>\n

Po b\u00ebj kujdes t\u00eb mos e kaloj cakun, por po them q\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb e kuptoj. N\u00ebse do isha n\u00eb vendin tuaj, kushedi, ndoshta do ndihesha nj\u00ebsoj. Po them q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri demokratike, nj\u00eb prej detyrimeve, nj\u00eb barr\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb duhet t\u00eb qeveris\u00ebsh, t\u00eb marr\u00ebsh vendimet e v\u00ebshtira, t\u00eb b\u00ebsh dialog, me dik\u00eb q\u00eb mund t\u00eb doje ta mbysje fare, por prap\u00eb e ke detyrim; je zgjedhur p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. N\u00ebse vihesh kaq shum\u00eb n\u00eb siklet, at\u00ebhere hiq dor\u00eb nga pozicioni q\u00eb mban, at\u00ebher\u00eb ik, l\u00ebre ta b\u00ebj\u00eb dikush tjet\u00ebr.<\/p>\n

Mazhoranca thot\u00eb q\u00eb ligji po funksionon. Z. Halimi b\u00ebri publike numrin e madh t\u00eb dosjeve t\u00eb trajtuara, q\u00eb kan\u00eb marr\u00eb k\u00ebstin e par\u00eb, si dhe ata mbi 65 vje\u00e7 t\u00eb dytin. Ky \u00ebsht\u00eb ligji, k\u00ebto jan\u00eb mund\u00ebsit\u00eb financiare t\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb n\u00eb zhvillim q\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqet t\u00eb merret me nj\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb 20-vje\u00e7are, pamund\u00ebsin\u00eb e politik\u00ebs p\u00ebr ta zgjidhur at\u00eb, por \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb problem i trash\u00ebguar. Dhe ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me raportin e shqiptar\u00ebve me t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

Nuk dua t\u00eb kund\u00ebrshtoj asgj\u00eb nga k\u00ebto q\u00eb that\u00eb. Personalisht, nuk kam asnj\u00eb arsye t\u00eb kund\u00ebrshtoj apo t\u00eb pyes n\u00ebse kjo apo ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb. Jo, shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz me t\u00eb cil\u00ebt flas thon\u00eb \u2013 disa q\u00eb jan\u00eb edhe qartas n\u00eb opozit\u00eb \u2013 epo, n\u00eb thelb ose plot\u00ebsisht kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb e sakt\u00eb. Por nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb kjo \u00e7\u00ebshtja. Si\u00e7 thash\u00eb m\u00eb par\u00eb, mendoj \u00ebsht\u00eb e r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme q\u00eb dikush si Ministri i Drejt\u00ebsis\u00eb \u2013 si\u00e7 b\u00ebri mbr\u00ebm\u00eb, n\u00eb at\u00eb rast ishte gj\u00eb e mir\u00eb t\u00eb kishe statistika, shum\u00eb t\u00eb dh\u00ebna.<\/p>\n

N\u00eb rregull edhe zot\u00ebria nga Ministria e Financave. E kuptoj q\u00eb Kryeministri d\u00ebshiron t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb t\u00eb qart\u00eb q\u00ebndrimin e tij, se si ndihej p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje, por, ajo q\u00eb i kthehem dhe i rikthehem \u00ebsht\u00eb, nj\u00eb dob\u00ebsi themelore e klas\u00ebs politike shqiptar\u00eb \u2013 kam parasysh opozit\u00ebn dhe qeverin\u00eb. Disa do thon\u00eb mrekulli, t\u00eb tjer\u00eb do thon\u00eb, ja ku e b\u00ebri prap\u00eb ky Arvizu. Nga t\u00eb gjitha vendet ku kam sh\u00ebrbyer, udh\u00ebtuar, shkuar, un\u00eb i gjej shqiptar\u00ebt zyrtar\u00eb, njer\u00ebz n\u00eb qeveri, politikan\u00ebt, si komunikuesit m\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqinj, m\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqinjt\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Thjesht t\u00eb tmerrsh\u00ebm n\u00eb komunikim. Ekziston vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb dhe at\u00eb pam\u00eb me Z. Halimi. Mund ta b\u00ebsh k\u00ebt\u00eb, por p\u00ebrve\u00e7 k\u00ebsaj, d\u00ebrgo dik\u00eb, nes\u00ebr, tek \u00e7adrat dhe thuaju t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtat gj\u00ebra. Kamerat jan\u00eb aty. N\u00ebse e do privatisht, fol me policin\u00eb. Mund t\u00eb pyes\u00ebsh p\u00ebr rolin ton\u00eb n\u00eb leht\u00ebsimin e nj\u00eb kontakti midis disa prej grevist\u00ebve dhe zyr\u00ebs s\u00eb Presidentit. Kur e mendova planin, iu dhash\u00eb njer\u00ebzve t\u00eb mi udh\u00ebzime shum\u00eb t\u00eb qarta se \u00e7far\u00eb sakt\u00ebsisht doja t\u00eb b\u00ebnin dhe ishim n\u00eb kontakt edhe me zyr\u00ebn e Presidentit. Ishim n\u00eb kontakt me policin\u00eb, t\u00eb cil\u00ebt mendoj kan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb pun\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb, si zakonisht; kan\u00eb qen\u00eb shum\u00eb profesionist\u00eb. Iu thash\u00eb: do shkojm\u00eb, pakashum\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb dritare kohe, do t\u2019u flasim p\u00ebr nj\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje delikate.<\/p>\n

Iu thash\u00eb, e di q\u00eb ka disa kamera televizionesh; nuk ka problem n\u00ebse kamerat filmojn\u00eb nj\u00eb makin\u00eb t\u00eb ambasad\u00ebs, t\u00eb filmojn\u00eb disa an\u00ebtar\u00eb t\u00eb personelit t\u00eb ambasad\u00ebs. Ishte edhe nj\u00eb an\u00ebtar i delegacionit europian, zyrtari q\u00eb mbulon t\u00eb drejtat e njeriut. Iu thash\u00eb s\u2019ka asnj\u00eb problem. Por, iu k\u00ebrkova q\u00eb gazetar\u00ebt t\u2019i mbajn\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb larg\u00ebsi t\u00eb sigurt. Nuk ka pse t\u00eb d\u00ebgjojn\u00eb bised\u00ebn. Ndaj, m\u00eb duket se n\u00ebse qeveria do donte nj\u00eb bised\u00eb shum\u00eb private dhe t\u00eb \u00e7ilt\u00ebr, do t\u00eb ishte e mundur n\u00ebse e donin. N\u00ebse donin ta b\u00ebnin para dhjet\u00eb kamerave, edhe k\u00ebt\u00eb mund ta b\u00ebnin po t\u00eb donin.<\/p>\n

\u2026e t\u00eb p\u00ebrdornin komunikimin n\u00ebp\u00ebrmjet medias p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb t\u00eb ditur se \u00e7far\u00eb ka b\u00ebr\u00eb qeveria p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb kategori njer\u00ebzish. P\u00ebr ta zgjeruar pak, kjo kategori, s\u00ebbashku me nd\u00ebshkimin e krimeve t\u00eb komunizmit dhe ligjin e lustracionit, shihen si pjes\u00eb t\u00eb r\u00ebnd\u00ebsishme t\u00eb paq\u00ebtimit t\u00eb nd\u00ebrgjegjes dhe kujtes\u00ebs kolektive. Jan\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje shum\u00eb delikate p\u00ebr nga ndikimi n\u00eb t\u00eb tashmen dhe t\u00eb ardhmen e shoq\u00ebris\u00eb. Por a mendoni se duhet t\u00eb ket\u00eb nj\u00eb konsensus, mir\u00ebkuptim politik m\u00eb t\u00eb madh meqen\u00ebse \u00e7\u00ebshtjet jan\u00eb kaq delicate? Dhe, sa i rreziksh\u00ebm \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrdorimi politik i k\u00ebtyre \u00e7\u00ebshtjeve?<\/strong><\/p>\n

N\u00eb hyrjen p\u00ebr n\u00eb stin\u00ebn e zgjedhjeve, bazuar n\u00eb p\u00ebrvoj\u00ebn time me zgjedhjet vendore, njer\u00ebzit \u2013 n\u00eb opozit\u00eb apo qeveri apo partit\u00eb e tjera m\u00eb vogla \u2013 nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se kan\u00eb nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb tjera p\u00ebr t\u2019u marr\u00eb. Tryeza \u00ebsht\u00eb plot q\u00eb tani. Mendoj se nj\u00eb arsye pse kjo \u00e7\u00ebshtje \u00ebsht\u00eb kaq delikate, dhe ju p\u00ebrmend\u00ebt ligjin p\u00ebr lustracionin. M\u00eb kujtohet kur p\u00ebrgatitesha p\u00ebr seancat d\u00ebgjimore p\u00ebr konfirmimin n\u00eb Senat p\u00ebr postin tim, kur paraardh\u00ebsi im Ambasadori Uidhers ishte k\u00ebtu, ishte nj\u00eb \u00e7ast ky\u00e7 lidhur me ligjin p\u00ebr lustracionin. Deri m\u00eb sot, nuk se e kuptoj 100%, por u p\u00ebrpoqa ta studioja, t\u00eb b\u00ebja ca k\u00ebrkime; gjithnj\u00eb p\u00ebrpiqem t\u2019i shoh gj\u00ebrat nga m\u00eb shum\u00eb se sa vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb k\u00ebnd, p\u00ebrpiqem si t\u00eb thuash p\u00ebr nj\u00eb shikim tri-dimensional.<\/p>\n

Por ajo q\u00eb ndjej un\u00eb p\u00ebr ligjin e lustracionit \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb edhe ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb emocionale. Mendoj se \u00ebsht\u00eb emocionale, Sonila, sepse ka t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb me identitetin e shqiptar\u00ebve, veten e tyre, vendin e tyre n\u00eb shoq\u00ebri. Shqiptar\u00ebt jan\u00eb t\u00eb jasht\u00ebzakonsh\u00ebm kur bie fjala p\u00ebr dallimet fetare. Mendoj jan\u00eb model p\u00ebr toleranc\u00ebn fetare; apo dallimet krahinore. Hera-her\u00ebs, d\u00ebgjoj njer\u00ebz q\u00eb b\u00ebjn\u00eb shaka me dialektin verior apo dialektin e Tiran\u00ebs. Megjithat\u00eb k\u00ebto jan\u00eb vog\u00eblsira, pa pesh\u00eb, pa ndikim. Por kur i kthehesh t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebs, g\u00ebrmon t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebn, \u00e7far\u00eb ka b\u00ebr\u00eb familja jote? \u00c7\u2019lloj kontakti kishte xhaxhai yt me Sigurimin? Familja ime ka pasur pron\u00eb pik\u00ebrisht aty ku \u00ebsht\u00eb sht\u00ebpia jote tani.<\/p>\n

Vet\u00ebm mund ta imagjinoj se sa emocional\u00eb mund t\u00eb b\u00ebhen njer\u00ebzit \u2013 p\u00ebrs\u00ebris, \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nerv i zbuluar; arrin n\u00eb kock\u00eb; \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb plag\u00eb e hapur; ka ndodhur 21 vjet m\u00eb par\u00eb por \u00ebsht\u00eb si hap e mbyll syt\u00eb, apo jo? Si t\u00eb kish ndodhur dje. Rikthimi i pronave, zgjidhja e pronave t\u00eb pretenduara \u2013 nj\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje jasht\u00ebzakonisht komplekse. \u00c7do gj\u00eb e lidhur me t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebn \u00ebsht\u00eb si plag\u00eb. Ka nj\u00eb kore dhe p\u00ebr fat t\u00eb keq, p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb posa\u00e7me, \u00ebsht\u00eb si t\u00eb heq\u00ebsh koren. Dhemb, \u00ebsht\u00eb shum\u00eb e dhimbshme. \u00cbsht\u00eb e dhimbshme ta shoh k\u00ebt\u00eb. Prandaj po p\u00ebrpiqemi t\u00eb nxisim njer\u00ebzit t\u00eb nd\u00ebrmarrin nj\u00eb p\u00ebrqasje q\u00eb t\u00eb pakt\u00ebn mund t\u00eb trajtoj\u00eb disa prej pretendimeve m\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdha, edhe n\u00ebse bien dakord p\u00ebr t\u00eb mos r\u00ebn\u00eb dakord, n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb ecin p\u00ebrpara.<\/p>\n

Z. Ambasador, po citoj Fatos Lubonj\u00ebn, ish i burgosur politik, i cili shkruante n\u00eb nj\u00eb opinion dje, \u201cFenomeni i kalimit t\u00eb politikan\u00ebve nga regjistrat e indiferentizmit tek ato t\u00eb konfliktualitetit t\u00eb ndezur, pa u ndalur tek terreni i v\u00ebrtet\u00eb politik: zgjidhja e problemeve t\u00eb qytetar\u00ebve a mos e b\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb panevojsh\u00ebm pluralizmin politik, pik\u00ebrisht aty ku kund\u00ebrshtari politik ekziston vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr t\u00eb justifikuar d\u00ebshtimin t\u00ebnd? P\u00ebr t\u00eb shkarkuar p\u00ebrgjegjesine t\u00ebnde?\u201d N\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb a nj\u00eb tjet\u00ebr e ka drejtuar gishtin tek klasa politike; se si mund t\u00eb p\u00ebrdor\u00eb \u00e7do \u00e7\u00ebshtje politikisht, nga m\u00eb e mprehta tek m\u00eb e thjeshta? A ndani t\u00eb nj\u00ebjtin mendim? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Kam biseduar disa her\u00eb me Z. Lubonja. Kam librin e tij, \u201cRid\u00ebnimi.\u201d Tani do t\u00eb filloj ta lexoj. E respektoj shum\u00eb si opinionist. \u00cbsht\u00eb nj\u00eb lloj individi me pik\u00ebpamje t\u00eb forta. Bie n\u00eb nj\u00eb mendje me t\u00eb p\u00ebr shum\u00eb gj\u00ebra. Ndonj\u00ebher\u00eb nuk biem dakord, por mbr\u00ebm\u00eb, i k\u00ebrkova stafit: dua t\u00eb di \u00e7\u2019tha Z. Halimi dhe kam shum\u00eb interes t\u00eb di \u00e7far\u00eb tha Z. Lubonja. Citimin q\u00eb ju lexoni e kam d\u00ebgjuar, lexuar dhe jam 110% n\u00eb nj\u00eb mendje me t\u00eb. 200%. Ka plot\u00ebsisht t\u00eb drejt\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Kam edhe nj\u00eb pyetje t\u00eb fundit nga tre q\u00eb kisha p\u00ebrgatitur p\u00ebr statusin kandidat, kushtet q\u00eb i jan\u00eb vendosur Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb marr\u00eb statusin n\u00eb dhjetor, si dhe fillimin e negociatave. \u00c7\u2019mesazh ka Uashingtoni lidhur me jav\u00ebt e mbetura deri m\u00eb 20 n\u00ebntor t\u00eb k\u00ebtij viti dhe nevoj\u00ebn p\u00ebr t\u00eb votur tri ligjet n\u00eb parlament me konsensus p\u00ebr t\u00eb marr\u00eb statusin?<\/p>\n

Meqen\u00ebse SHBA nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb shtet an\u00ebtar i BE-s\u00eb, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb se di p\u00ebr diskutimet e brendshme\u2026<\/p>\n

Por e mb\u00ebshtesni\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n

Shum\u00eb. Politika e SHBA \u00ebsht\u00eb t\u00eb mb\u00ebshtes\u00eb plot\u00ebsisht integrimin e t\u00eb gjith\u00eb Ballkanit Per\u00ebndimor, sigurisht p\u00ebrfshi Shqip\u00ebrin\u00eb, n\u00eb bashk\u00ebsin\u00eb euroatlantike. Mendoj \u2013 dhe shpresoj ambasadori Sekui s\u2019do ta ket\u00eb problem ta them k\u00ebt\u00eb \u2013 por mendoj q\u00eb nevojitet nj\u00eb p\u00ebrqasje me dy shina. Nj\u00ebra, si\u00e7 that\u00eb ju: jan\u00eb tri ligje lidhur me sh\u00ebrbimin civil, Gjykat\u00ebn e Lart\u00eb, dhe rregulloren e parlamentit. Ka disa dallime n\u00eb q\u00ebndrime. Kam m\u00eb shum\u00eb shqet\u00ebsim p\u00ebr ligjin p\u00ebr Gjykat\u00ebn e Lart\u00eb sepse lidhet me mosmarr\u00ebveshjen n\u00eb Fier, e cila \u00ebsht\u00eb tem\u00eb p\u00ebr dit\u00eb tjet\u00ebr. Por sinqerisht shpresojm\u00eb q\u00eb dy pal\u00ebt mund t\u00eb angazhohen seriozisht. Nuk mendoj se dallimet jan\u00eb t\u00eb m\u00ebdha. N\u00ebse ka vullnet, mund ta kap\u00ebrcejn\u00eb. Fiery \u00ebsht\u00eb pak i nd\u00ebrlikuar. Mendoj se aty dallimi \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb i madh se sa n\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtjet e tjera, por prap\u00eb, n\u00ebse ka vullnet, mund ta zgjidhin.<\/p>\n

Nd\u00ebrsa e dyta \u00ebsht\u00eb ai i q\u00ebndrimeve. Nuk mendoj se 27 kryeqytetet po shohin domosdoshm\u00ebrisht list\u00ebn e po plot\u00ebsojn\u00eb kutit\u00eb: plot\u00ebsuar, plot\u00ebsuar, plot\u00ebsuar. \u00cbsht\u00eb p\u00ebrb\u00ebr\u00ebs me r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi por thon\u00eb edhe: a do ta rrok\u00eb klasa politike shqiptare dhe mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit e tyre k\u00ebt\u00eb shans, edhe n\u00eb fillim t\u00eb nj\u00eb fushate zgjedhore, p\u00ebr t\u2019u p\u00ebrpjekur n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb disi t\u00eb ndryshme? Lidhur me \u00e7\u00ebshtjen e posa\u00e7me t\u00eb t\u00eb burgosurve politik\u00eb \u2013 nuk po them q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb lakmusi \u2013 por mendoj se n\u00ebse kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje q\u00eb klasa politike mund ta zgjidh\u00eb n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb till\u00eb q\u00eb flet mir\u00eb p\u00ebr qeverisjen demokratike k\u00ebtu, mendoj q\u00eb kjo vet\u00ebm do ta ndihmonte statusin kandidat t\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb kur t\u00eb merret vendimi n\u00eb fund-n\u00ebntori apo fillim-dhjetori.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

TemA, 17 Tetor 2012 \u201cPo them q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb shoq\u00ebri demokratike, nj\u00eb prej detyrimeve, nj\u00eb barr\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb duhet t\u00eb qeveris\u00ebsh, t\u00eb marr\u00ebsh vendimet e v\u00ebshtira, t\u00eb b\u00ebsh dialog, me dik\u00eb q\u00eb mund t\u00eb doje ta mbysje fare, por prap\u00eb e ke detyrim; je zgjedhur p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb. 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