{"id":13398,"date":"2014-02-19T11:41:23","date_gmt":"2014-02-19T10:41:23","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fjala.info\/?p=497"},"modified":"2014-02-19T11:41:23","modified_gmt":"2014-02-19T10:41:23","slug":"shenasi-rama-ja-e-verteta-e-rrezimit-te-bustit-skandali-i-azemit-me-femren-franceze-sali-berisha-traktat-te-fshehte-me-ramiz-aline","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fjala.info\/2009-2015\/shenasi-rama-ja-e-verteta-e-rrezimit-te-bustit-skandali-i-azemit-me-femren-franceze-sali-berisha-traktat-te-fshehte-me-ramiz-aline\/","title":{"rendered":"Shenasi Rama: Ja e v\u00ebrteta e rr\u00ebzimit t\u00eb bustit, skandali i Azemit me femr\u00ebn franceze, Sali Berisha traktat t\u00eb fsheht\u00eb me Ramiz Alin\u00eb"},"content":{"rendered":"

\"\" Shenasi Rama<\/strong>, themeluesi i Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan Noli\u201d dhe organizatori i grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb s\u00eb student\u00ebve, n\u00eb intervist\u00ebn p\u00ebr gazet\u00ebn \u201cSOT\u201d tregon se ishin 108 student\u00eb q\u00eb filluan grev\u00ebn e uris\u00eb dhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt u bashkuan nga entuziazmi, kur u pa se fitorja u arrit. Shenasi Rama zbardh edhe prapaskenat sesi Azem Hajdari dhe Berisha k\u00ebrkonin t\u00eb sabotonin grev\u00ebn e student\u00ebve t\u00eb cil\u00ebt nuk donin t\u00eb hiqej emri i Enver Hoxh\u00ebs nga Universiteti i Tiran\u00ebs, sepse kishin n\u00ebnshkruar me Ramiz Alin\u00eb traktatin e paqes, dhe tregon p\u00ebr her\u00eb t\u00eb par\u00eb, q\u00eb vendimi p\u00ebr rr\u00ebzimin e bustit t\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs n\u00eb sheshin \u201cSk\u00ebnderbej\u201d u mor n\u00eb dhom\u00ebn e tij, n\u00eb godin\u00ebn num\u00ebr 6 t\u00eb Qytetit t\u00eb Student\u00ebve. Gjithashtu, Shenasi Rama, thot\u00eb se 20 shkurti nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb pik\u00eb referimi i PD-s\u00eb, por ky 20 Shkurt \u00ebsht\u00eb ruajtja e interesave t\u00eb familjes Berisha.<\/p>\n

– Kush ishte arsyeja q\u00eb \u00e7oi n\u00eb organizimin e grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb s\u00eb student\u00ebve dhe si u b\u00eb greva e uris\u00eb e shkurtit 1991?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Situata ishte komplekse dhe gjithkush kishte arsyet e veta, q\u00eb pastaj konverguan n\u00eb precipitimin e gjendjes dhe n\u00eb konturimin e organizimin e grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb. Nga nj\u00eb an\u00eb, partit\u00eb politike kishin r\u00ebn\u00eb dakord p\u00ebr ndalimin e aktiviteteve t\u00eb tilla politike. S\u00eb bashku me nj\u00eb grup student\u00ebsh, ne kishim filluar riorganizimin e strukturave t\u00eb L\u00ebvizjes Studentore, t\u00eb ndara nga PD. B\u00ebm\u00eb takime, biseda, krijuam nj\u00eb b\u00ebrtham\u00eb drejtuese formale me statut e me objektiva, dhe i dham\u00eb emrin Shoqata Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli.\u201d Mir\u00ebpo, gj\u00ebrat precipituan ndryshe. Mobilizimi i student\u00ebve filloi n\u00eb paradrek\u00ebn e 6 Shkurtit p\u00ebr shkaqe banale. Nj\u00eb nat\u00eb m\u00eb par\u00eb, Azem Hajdari kishte pasur nj\u00eb skandal t\u00eb ndyr\u00eb me nj\u00eb fem\u00ebr n\u00eb nj\u00eb pritje n\u00eb Ambasad\u00ebn Franceze; n\u00eb Kryesin\u00eb e PD-s\u00eb i ishin v\u00ebn\u00eb p\u00ebr ta hequr dhe Azemi shkoi n\u00eb ILB, ku kishte tropojan\u00ebt dhe mandej erdhi n\u00eb UT, ku kishte mjaft tropojan\u00eb t\u00eb tjer\u00eb si n\u00eb Deg\u00ebn e PD t\u00eb UT, ashtu edhe jasht\u00eb saj, duke k\u00ebrkuar mb\u00ebshtetjen e tyre n\u00eb p\u00ebrplasjen e tij me kryesin\u00eb e PD-s\u00eb. K\u00ebshtu filluan protestat e student\u00ebve. Mir\u00ebpo, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb sip\u00ebrfaqja. Projekti p\u00ebr t\u00eb hequr e organizuar heqjen e Enver Hoxh\u00ebs ishte artikuluar q\u00eb me 19 Dhjetor 1990 nga un\u00eb, dhe ishte nj\u00eb nga objektivat kryesor\u00eb t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d, q\u00eb e kishim themeluar asokohe. Sa p\u00ebr ata q\u00eb iu kujtohet, ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb Plenum i Lidhjes s\u00eb Shkrimtar\u00ebve, ku pata folur direkt e ashp\u00ebr p\u00ebr mospajtueshm\u00ebrin\u00eb e demokracis\u00eb me figur\u00ebn e Enver Hoxh\u00ebs, m\u00eb 19 Dhjetor 1990 dhe ku pata nj\u00eb ngat\u00ebrres\u00eb fizike me mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit e Enver Hoxh\u00ebs aty. Po ashtu n\u00eb refleksionet e organizuara nga Ardian Klosi dhe nga Edi Rama n\u00eb Janar 1991, ku pata folur edhe un\u00eb, ishte ngritur s\u00ebrish kjo tem\u00eb, nga nj\u00eb k\u00ebndv\u00ebshtrim tjet\u00ebr. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb Azemi nisi protestat me tropojan\u00ebt e deg\u00ebn e PD-s\u00eb dhe m\u00eb pas k\u00ebtyre iu bashk\u00ebngjit\u00ebn disa vet\u00eb t\u00eb organizuar n\u00eb nj\u00eb Shoqat\u00eb Studentore nga Tefalin Malshyti, Blendi Fevziu, e t\u00eb tjer\u00eb. K\u00ebta q\u00eb i kishin organizuar me ngut n\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebn Studentore, thjesht p\u00ebr t\u2019iu kund\u00ebrv\u00ebn\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d, e mor\u00ebn iden\u00eb ton\u00eb t\u00eb heqjes s\u00eb emrit t\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs nga Universiteti dhe i filluan protestat me k\u00ebng\u00eb e me humor, q\u00eb zgjat\u00ebn p\u00ebr shum\u00eb dit\u00eb. N\u00eb nj\u00eb miting, kur u pa qart\u00eb se k\u00ebta kishin d\u00ebshtuar dhe nuk dinin m\u00eb se \u00e7ka duhej b\u00ebr\u00eb, (disa deklaruan se nuk do t\u00eb vinin m\u00eb n\u00eb protesta) me k\u00ebrkes\u00ebn e t\u00eb gjith\u00eb student\u00ebve n\u00eb shesh dhe i pritur me shum\u00eb respekt e dashuri prej student\u00ebve, fola n\u00eb nj\u00eb miting dhe argumentova se \u00e7ka duhej b\u00ebr\u00eb dhe iu shpjegova se duhej k\u00ebrkuar vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb gj\u00eb: heqja e emrit t\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs nga universiteti. Mir\u00ebpo reputacioni q\u00eb kisha, krijonte shum\u00eb probleme p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb pal\u00ebt, sepse e dinin t\u00eb gjith\u00eb se nuk m\u00eb kontrollonte dot njeri. Duke e kuptuar k\u00ebt\u00eb gj\u00eb, dhe duke e ditur se do t\u00eb na kund\u00ebrviheshin shum\u00eb ashp\u00ebr, me shok\u00ebt e mi Arben Lika, Edmond Bushati, Arben Sula, Edvin Shvarc, Alban Pici dhe t\u00eb tjer\u00eb ram\u00eb dakord q\u00eb t\u00eb ruhej Komisioni, ku kishte djem t\u00eb mir\u00eb e shok\u00eb ton\u00ebt. Thjesht nuk donim t\u00eb p\u00ebr\u00e7anim L\u00ebvizjen Studentore. Megjithat\u00eb, kishte shum\u00eb kund\u00ebrv\u00ebnie ndaj meje dhe u t\u00ebrhoqa. N\u00eb komision, formalisht do t\u00eb ishin k\u00ebta t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore, pra, njer\u00ebzit e tyre, t\u00eb PD-s\u00eb dhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebve, por ku t\u00eb ishte edhe njeriu ky\u00e7 i k\u00ebsaj pune, Arben Lika, q\u00eb ishte heroi i Dhjetorit dhe n\u00ebnkryetar i Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d dhe p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsuesi i jon\u00eb n\u00eb at\u00eb Komision, ku kishim miq t\u00eb vjet\u00ebr ton\u00ebt. Ata do t\u00eb ishin fytyra e veprimit, por ne t\u00eb \u201cFan Nolit\u201d do t\u00eb ishim truri dhe do t\u00eb vinim veton, si p\u00ebrmes Arben Lik\u00ebs, ashtu edhe me m\u00ebnyra t\u00eb tjera. Ne e dinim k\u00ebt\u00eb, si\u00e7 e dinin edhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt n\u00eb strukturat e ndryshme, mir\u00ebpo si PD, si PPSH ashtu edhe k\u00ebta t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt i g\u00ebnjente mendja se do t\u00eb mund t\u00eb na m\u00ebnjanonin me koh\u00eb. Duke menduar se k\u00ebta do t\u00eb kontrollonin komisionin, ku t\u00eb gjith\u00eb kishin njer\u00ebzit e tyre, i lejuan gj\u00ebrat t\u00eb shkojn\u00eb deri n\u00eb fund. K\u00ebshtu, n\u00eb m\u00ebngjesin e dat\u00ebs 18 Shkurt, Saliu e mori gjith\u00eb komisionin dhe shkuan tek Ministri Sk\u00ebnder Gjinushi p\u00ebr t\u00eb arritur kompromisin e parap\u00ebrgatitur q\u00eb do t\u00eb shmangte grev\u00ebn. Kur u kthyen, greva kishte filluar, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb dol\u00ebn huq dhe situata iu kishte dal\u00eb nga duart. Me student\u00ebt e mbyllur n\u00eb Kinoklubin Studenti ishte shum\u00eb m\u00eb leht\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb kontrollohej loja. Dhe nga aty, her\u00eb me t\u00eb mir\u00eb e her\u00eb me t\u00eb keq, objektivat dhe drejtimin grev\u00ebs ia dham\u00eb ne t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d. <\/p>\n

– Cilat qen\u00eb synimet e student\u00ebve dhe t\u00eb grev\u00ebs?<\/strong><\/p>\n

K\u00ebta q\u00eb u b\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb njohur si drejtues e organizues nga ana e Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore, p\u00ebr nj\u00eb koh\u00eb nuk kan\u00eb ditur se \u00e7\u2019kan\u00eb dashur e \u00e7\u2019kan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb. Thjesht po k\u00ebrkonin protagoniz\u00ebm dhe mandej u tremb\u00ebn. N\u00eb fillim k\u00ebta t\u00eb PD-s\u00eb desh\u00ebn t\u2019i p\u00ebrdornin k\u00ebta t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore p\u00ebr t\u00eb shmangur Azemin, tropojan\u00ebt e mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit e tij t\u00eb Dhjetorit, \u00e7ka edhe ia arrit\u00ebn. Mandej, protestat mor\u00ebn nj\u00eb jet\u00eb t\u00eb tyre, dhe k\u00ebta t\u00eb shoqat\u00ebs studentore u frik\u00ebsuan sa nis\u00ebn t\u00eb iknin e t\u00eb fshiheshin me dit\u00eb. Nj\u00eb dit\u00eb mbet\u00ebn vet\u00ebm nja 30 vet\u00eb n\u00eb shesh. At\u00ebher\u00eb, forca kryesore dhe frym\u00ebzuese e L\u00ebvizjes Studentore, ishim dhe mbet\u00ebm ne t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d. Q\u00ebndresa, vendosm\u00ebria e qart\u00ebsia jon\u00eb, i shtyu politikan\u00ebt q\u00eb t\u00eb risillnin s\u00ebrish n\u00eb shesh Shoqat\u00ebn Studentore dhe mitingjet komike t\u00eb tyre. N\u00eb k\u00ebto kushte, ne k\u00ebmb\u00ebngul\u00ebn vet\u00ebm n\u00eb nj\u00eb objektiv, n\u00eb heqjen e emrit t\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs nga Universiteti. Ky ishte nj\u00eb objektiv i menduar shum\u00eb mir\u00eb, me vet\u00ebdije t\u00eb lart\u00eb politike p\u00ebr pasojat, me nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgatitje e dijeni, q\u00eb se priste njeri nga student\u00ebt, dhe q\u00eb do t\u00eb mbetej akti m\u00eb revolucionar q\u00eb mund t\u00eb b\u00ebhej gjat\u00eb atyre fillimeve t\u00eb tranzicionit. Enver Hoxha ishte thembra e Akilit t\u00eb sistemit. Po t\u00eb binte Enver Hoxha, le m\u00eb po ta rr\u00ebzonte sistemi vet\u00eb, at\u00ebher\u00eb do t\u00eb kishte nj\u00eb fillim t\u00eb ri p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, edhe p\u00ebr mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit e sistemit. Edhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb persekutuarit, edhe p\u00ebr njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb ishin t\u00eb lidhur me sistemin, edhe p\u00ebr strukturat e shtetit. Duhej ndar\u00eb Enver Hoxha nga shteti. Duheshin ndar\u00eb njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb i sh\u00ebrbenin shtetit nga Enver Hoxha. Duhej q\u00eb Enver Hoxha t\u00eb mbarte t\u00eb gjith\u00eb t\u00eb k\u00ebqijat e sistemit t\u00eb kaluar n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb kishim nj\u00eb t\u00eb ardhme m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00eb. Duhej q\u00eb njer\u00ebzit t\u00eb \u00e7liroheshin nga besnik\u00ebria ndaj Enver Hoxh\u00ebs p\u00ebr t\u2019u b\u00ebr\u00eb besnik\u00eb t\u00eb shtetit e t\u00eb kombit. Ky ka qen\u00eb objektivi. Pun\u00eb tjet\u00ebr se si e paraqit\u00ebn dhe si e keqp\u00ebrdor\u00ebn, por ky ka qen\u00eb synimi fisnik i Shoqat\u00ebs \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d dhe ky qe p\u00ebrfundimi q\u00eb solli Greva e Uris\u00eb. <\/p>\n

– Cil\u00ebt ishin organizator\u00ebt?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nga ana e Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore, m\u00eb kryesor\u00ebt kan\u00eb qen\u00eb Blendi Gonxhe, Ridvan Peshk\u00ebpia, Ilir Dizdari, Arian Manahasa, Myftar Gjanaj, Ndue Lugjaj, dhe disa nga Dega e PD-s\u00eb n\u00eb Universitet. Nga ana e Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d kryesor\u00ebt kan\u00eb q\u00ebn\u00eb Arben Lika, Edmond Bushati, Shinasi Rama, Edvin Shvarc, Alban Pici, Arben Sulaj me disa t\u00eb tjer\u00eb si Fred Gemi q\u00eb kan\u00eb luajtur rol t\u00eb spikatur n\u00eb momente te caktuara, por dhe disa miq e mikesha q\u00eb nuk duan t\u00eb p\u00ebrmenden me em\u00ebr. Nga pedagog\u00ebt dy prej tyre spikat\u00ebn mbi t\u00eb gjith\u00eb t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt, Uk\u00eb Zenel Bu\u00e7papaj dhe Mehdi Shehu. Por edhe disa djemt\u00eb e Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore ishin shok\u00eb t\u00eb ngusht\u00eb tan\u00ebt q\u00eb nga fillimet e protest\u00ebs si Myftar Gjanaj, Ilir Dizdari, apo Ndue Lugja. K\u00ebshtu q\u00eb e kishim shum\u00eb m\u00eb t\u00eb leht\u00eb kontrollimin e gjendjes.<\/p>\n

– A kishte intriga dhe prapaskena n\u00eb dit\u00ebt q\u00eb organizonit dhe b\u00ebnit grev\u00ebn e uris\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po normalisht. Kjo ishte nj\u00eb ngjarje q\u00eb do t\u00eb kishte pasoja t\u00eb paparashikueshme p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb. N\u00eb nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb, koha do t\u00eb ndahej me thik\u00eb, n\u00eb momentin para greve e mbas k\u00ebsaj greve. Kishte shum\u00eb q\u00eb ishin t\u00eb vet\u00ebdijsh\u00ebm p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb metamorfoz\u00eb cil\u00ebsore t\u00eb loj\u00ebs politike, nd\u00ebr ta edhe un\u00eb. Ajo ka qen\u00eb nj\u00eb gjendje shum\u00eb e tensionuar dhe nuk do ta ekzagjeroja po t\u00eb thoja se ka pasur shum\u00eb intriga dhe prapaskena. Gjithkush luante loj\u00ebn e vet, dhe duhej shum\u00eb energji e v\u00ebmendje p\u00ebr t\u00eb mos mbetur n\u00eb kurthet e tyre. Nga nj\u00eb an\u00eb kemi pasur pranin\u00eb e vazhdueshme t\u00eb nd\u00ebrmjet\u00ebsve t\u00eb Ramiz Alis\u00eb, Sk\u00ebnder Gjinushit dhe Ismail Ahmetit, me t\u00eb cil\u00ebt kemi zhvilluar negociata t\u00eb vazhdueshme, dit\u00ebn e nat\u00ebn. Nga ana tjet\u00ebr, kemi pasur nd\u00ebrhyrjet e PD-s\u00eb dhe pranin\u00eb e presionet e tyre si individ\u00eb q\u00eb mendonin se kontrollonin gj\u00eb, si Gramoz Pashko me t\u00eb vet\u00ebt, Saliu me t\u00eb vet\u00ebt etj. Kemi pasur shqiptar\u00ebt, q\u00eb vinin nga jasht\u00eb, t\u00eb huajt q\u00eb po ashtu ishin t\u00eb pranish\u00ebm, si brenda ashtu edhe p\u00ebrjashta, dhe natyrisht provokimet e Azem Hajdarit q\u00eb tha se u hoq Enver Hoxha e tani dilni, q\u00eb u p\u00ebrballuan me shum\u00eb kujdes nga student\u00ebt si Mond Bushati, Ilir Dizdari, Alfred Gemi e Ndue Lugja, q\u00eb i vun\u00eb kurrizin der\u00ebs dhe nuk lan\u00eb njeri t\u00eb dilte, e theksoj, ka pasur nj\u00eb shpirt t\u00eb lart\u00eb patriotik e vet\u00ebmohues nga t\u00eb gjith\u00eb student\u00ebt. Na erdh\u00ebn n\u00eb form\u00ebn e ndihm\u00ebs mjek\u00ebsore ca vet\u00eb q\u00eb donin legjitimitet etj. Si kemi hyr\u00eb n\u00eb grev\u00eb, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb student\u00ebt ndanin nj\u00eb q\u00ebllim dhe t\u00eb gjith\u00eb veglat e provokator\u00ebt mbet\u00ebn nj\u00eb grusht i pap\u00ebrfillsh\u00ebm, q\u00eb nganj\u00ebher\u00eb i zinim edhe duke b\u00ebr\u00eb gj\u00ebra jo t\u00eb k\u00ebndshme. Momentet m\u00eb t\u00eb rrezikshme kan\u00eb qen\u00eb kur pjes\u00ebtar\u00eb t\u00eb policis\u00eb sekrete hyn\u00eb n\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00eb sallat dhe nuk shkuleshin prej aty. <\/p>\n

– Mendoni se kishte manipulim politik t\u00eb grev\u00ebs s\u00eb student\u00ebve?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Individ\u00eb t\u00eb ve\u00e7ant\u00eb i kan\u00eb manipuluar dhe p\u00ebrdorur. Mua dhe nj\u00eb grusht t\u00eb tjer\u00ebsh, q\u00eb kemi pasur mendime t\u00eb qarta dhe influenc\u00eb n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb proces, jo. Greva e arriti objektivin e saj, q\u00eb ishte objektivi i jon\u00eb, pavar\u00ebsisht p\u00ebrpjekjeve t\u00eb tyre. M\u00eb pas, dihej se do ta p\u00ebrdornin e manipulonin si ngjarje politike. Mir\u00ebpo, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb e din\u00eb se mua nuk m\u00eb ka kontrolluar njeri. Un\u00eb e kam ditur \u00e7ka dua dhe e kam arritur at\u00eb gj\u00eb, me nj\u00eb \u00e7mim t\u00eb lart\u00eb, por e kam arritur.<\/p>\n

– Cili ishte misioni dhe roli q\u00eb luajti sigurimi dhe forcat e shtetit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Shteti ishte m\u00eb k\u00ebmb\u00eb, ishte shum\u00eb efektiv dhe luajti at\u00eb rol q\u00eb pritej nga strukturat e koh\u00ebs. Por \u00ebsht\u00eb dometh\u00ebn\u00ebs fakti se nj\u00eb grusht njer\u00ebzish, me pak largpam\u00ebsi e imagjinat\u00eb ia doli t\u00eb thyente strukturat dhe t\u00eb shkonte n\u00eb zem\u00ebr t\u00eb sistemit, pavar\u00ebsisht trysnis\u00eb s\u00eb paimagjinueshme t\u00eb strukturave. Megjithat\u00eb, greva dhe heqja e statuj\u00ebs s\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs jan\u00eb t\u00eb lidhura si shkak-pasoj\u00eb me nj\u00eb ngjarje, q\u00eb e kontrolluan ata dhe me tjetr\u00ebn, q\u00eb nuk e kontrolluan dot dhe q\u00eb ishte themeli i s\u00eb par\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

– Si u mposht frika ndaj forc\u00ebs s\u00eb diktatur\u00ebs? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Nj\u00eb njeri q\u00eb niset p\u00ebr t\u00eb vdekur, ose e vret, ose i hap rrug\u00eb. Vet\u00ebdija politike p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb po ndodhte, e p\u00ebr at\u00eb q\u00eb mund t\u00eb ndodhte, na ka shtyr\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb mos kishim frik\u00eb p\u00ebr jet\u00ebn. \u00c7ka t\u00eb duhet jeta kur jeton si krimb edhe kur ke zgjidhje tjet\u00ebr? Ai ishte nj\u00eb moment p\u00ebr t\u00eb ofruar nj\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim publik, q\u00eb nuk e ofronte dot njeri tjet\u00ebr n\u00eb at\u00eb pik\u00eb, me i \u00e7liruar t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, me e l\u00ebn\u00eb t\u00eb shkuar\u00ebn mbrapa, p\u00ebr t\u00eb pasur nj\u00eb fillim t\u00ebri p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb. \u00c7far\u00eb vlere do t\u00eb kishte jeta e nj\u00eb njeriu, apo e nj\u00eb grushti njer\u00ebzish n\u00ebse do t\u00eb duhej q\u00eb t\u00eb jetohej n\u00ebn nj\u00eb diktatur\u00eb t\u00eb kamufluar? N\u00ebse duhej nj\u00eb kurban p\u00ebr kombin, do t\u00eb b\u00ebheshim ne kurbani. Por, ashtu si n\u00eb Dhjetor t\u00eb 1990-s ishim krejt\u00ebsisht t\u00eb vet\u00ebdijsh\u00ebm se k\u00ebta skuthat e politik\u00ebs, nuk do t\u00eb lejonin q\u00eb t\u00eb kishte shpres\u00eb e nj\u00eb fillim t\u00eb mbar\u00eb p\u00ebr shqiptar\u00ebt. Mir\u00ebpo, n\u00eb at\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje nuk e kontrollonim dot as koh\u00ebn, as momentin q\u00eb precipitoi ashtu si precipitoi. N\u00eb lidhje me veprimet q\u00eb kam b\u00ebr\u00eb un\u00eb kam patur bekimin e tim eti dhe mb\u00ebshtetjen e gjith\u00eb familjes sime. N\u00eb lidhje me pasojat. Pasojat po i jetojm\u00eb p\u00ebrdit\u00eb, se jemi n\u00eb kurbet, me familje t\u00eb shkat\u00ebrruara n\u00eb atdhe, t\u00eb rrethuar me heshtje e me urrejtje, e me injorim t\u00eb studiuar nga t\u00eb gjith\u00eb pal\u00ebt. Pse duhet t\u00eb jem un\u00eb n\u00eb kurbet e t\u00eb mos jem n\u00eb vendin tim? Kush m\u2019i kthen lot\u00ebt e dhimbjen e n\u00ebn\u00ebs sime, posht\u00ebrimin e keqtrajtimin e diskriminimin q\u00eb i \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb familjes sime nga t\u00eb gjith\u00eb strukturat e pal\u00ebt gjat\u00eb k\u00ebtyre 23 viteve? N\u00ebse dikur t\u00eb nisnin n\u00eb internim, tani na kan\u00eb shkat\u00ebrruar me breza. <\/p>\n

– Ishte nj\u00eb nism\u00eb studentore, apo fshihej nj\u00eb motiv politik?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nga ana e Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore ka pasur motive politike p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur kontrollin e PD-s\u00eb mbi student\u00ebt, mbi UT dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb ulur tensionet, duke i kthyer mitingjet n\u00eb shfaqje. Nga ana e strukturave, kjo nd\u00ebrhyrje e tyre u kthye n\u00eb nj\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje p\u00ebr t\u00eb thyer p\u00ebrfundimisht student\u00ebt dhe p\u00ebr t\u2019i kthyer n\u00eb bishta t\u00eb politik\u00ebs s\u00eb pal\u00ebve t\u00eb paris\u00eb. Nga ana e Shoqat\u00ebs Fan Noli, ka pasur nj\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekje p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur L\u00ebvizjen Studentore, p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb nj\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim publik, p\u00ebr t\u00eb ndihmuar me sinqeritet e past\u00ebrti, me vet\u00ebsakrifikim e me p\u00ebrkushtim n\u00eb ruajtjen e shtet-kombit. Shkurt, ishte nj\u00eb nism\u00eb studentore e Shoqat\u00ebs \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d me objektiva t\u00eb qarta politike, iniciativ\u00eb, e cila u p\u00ebrvet\u00ebsua nga Shoqata Studentore dhe m\u00eb pas u b\u00eb objekt p\u00ebrplasjesh shum\u00eb t\u00eb forta politike midis partive. N\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb p\u00ebrplasje, edhe pse nj\u00eb grusht, ne e mb\u00ebrrit\u00ebm synimin ton\u00eb. Mir\u00ebpo, mbet\u00ebm me nj\u00eb veprim politik, sepse, mbas grev\u00ebs, ishim si n\u00eb sh\u00ebnjest\u00ebr, ashtu edhe t\u00eb izoluar.<\/p>\n

– Si u mor vendimi p\u00ebr rr\u00ebzimin e bustit t\u00eb Enverit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Vendimi p\u00ebr heqjen e emrit t\u00eb Universitetit \u00ebsht\u00eb marr\u00eb nga Shoqata \u201cFan Noli\u201d dhe i \u00ebsht\u00eb imponuar Komisionit. \u00cbsht\u00eb marr\u00eb n\u00eb dhom\u00ebn time n\u00eb Godin\u00ebn Num\u00ebr 6, s\u00eb bashku me Arben Lik\u00ebn, Edvin Shvarcin, Alban Picin, Mond Bushatin dhe Arben Sul\u00ebn. Mandej, n\u00eb lidhje me ndihm\u00ebn q\u00eb mund t\u00eb na jepnin nga jasht\u00eb, sepse grev\u00ebn kemi dashur ta ruajm\u00eb t\u00eb ndar\u00eb nga gjith\u00e7ka tjet\u00ebr, edhe si presion t\u00eb fuqish\u00ebm psikologjik, edhe pse kishim objektiva t\u00eb qarta t\u00eb ndryshme nga t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, kemi pasur takim me p\u00ebrfaq\u00ebsuesit e sindikatave, q\u00eb erdh\u00ebn n\u00eb grev\u00eb dhe k\u00ebrkuan t\u00eb na ndihmonin. Ne iu tham\u00eb q\u00eb statuja ishte ende tek sheshi. Kishim edhe shum\u00eb nd\u00ebrmjet\u00ebs t\u00eb partive politike e t\u00eb individ\u00ebve q\u00eb vinin e q\u00eb iknin. Duke e par\u00eb q\u00eb psikologjikisht i mbanim ne peng njer\u00ebzit dhe nuk do t\u00eb t\u00ebrhiqeshim, strukturat dhe njer\u00ebzit e tyre, me t\u00eb cil\u00ebt ne nuk donim t\u00eb kishim pun\u00eb, i drejtuan njer\u00ebzit tek Sheshi Sk\u00ebnderbej. Megjithat\u00eb, ne e vazhduam grev\u00ebn deri n\u00eb momentin kur e hoq\u00ebn emrin e Universitetit t\u00eb Tiran\u00ebs.<\/p>\n

– Berisha asokohe, si kryetari i PD-s\u00eb, a ishte dakord q\u00eb t\u00eb rrezohej busti i Enver Hoxh\u00ebs?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Jo, jo. Saliu ka qen\u00eb kund\u00ebr deri n\u00eb momentin e fundit, si kund\u00ebr heqjes s\u00eb emrit, ashtu edhe kund\u00ebr heqjes s\u00eb statuj\u00ebs s\u00eb Enver Hoxh\u00ebs, sepse ai kishte nj\u00eb detyr\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb kryer dhe deri aty e kishte lejen. Asnj\u00ebher\u00eb nuk ka folur kund\u00ebr Enver Hoxh\u00ebs, edhe pse kalonte p\u00ebrdit\u00eb para statuj\u00ebs s\u00eb tij. Ai e dinte se nga kjo mund t\u2019i ikte koka. Dhe Saliu nuk ishte aq trim, sa t\u00eb luante me kok\u00ebn e vet. Ai nuk ka guxuar t\u00eb fshij\u00eb nj\u00eb g\u00eblbaz\u00eb q\u00eb i \u00ebsht\u00eb hedhur n\u00eb fytyr\u00eb tek Xhamia e jo m\u00eb t\u00eb rrezikonte jet\u00ebn.<\/p>\n

– A kishin rol misionet e huaja diplomatike n\u00eb organizimin e protestave, pak\u00ebnaq\u00ebsive dhe a ishin nxit\u00ebs t\u00eb grev\u00ebs ata?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po. K\u00ebta t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt nga partit\u00eb dhe disa student\u00eb u kthyen n\u00eb vegla edhe t\u00eb t\u00eb huajve, sepse si katundar\u00eb t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, donin nj\u00eb aga q\u00eb t\u2019i drejtonte dhe besonin se do t\u00eb fitonin pik\u00eb. P\u00ebr sa m\u00eb takon mua, absolutisht jo. Un\u00eb nuk i kam besuar l\u00ebkur\u00ebn sime e jo t\u00eb tjer\u00ebve. Tradita politike, t\u00eb cil\u00ebs i kam takuar, dhe edukimi familjar q\u00eb kam pasur, ka qen\u00eb i bazuar tek nj\u00eb mosbesim t\u00eb thell\u00eb tek interesat dhe influencat e t\u00eb huajve n\u00eb lidhje me shqiptar\u00ebt. Objektivi i vet\u00ebm i joni ishte me ndar\u00eb shtetin nga Enver Hoxha, t\u00eb ruanim t\u00eb gjith\u00eb dhe t\u00eb hynim n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb faz\u00eb t\u00eb re me nj\u00eb objektiv p\u00ebrbashkues, q\u00eb n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb pashmangshme, e shihte problemin shqiptar k\u00ebndej e andej kufirit si nj\u00eb e t\u00eb pandash\u00ebm. Por, edhe n\u00eb kalkulimin ton\u00eb, t\u00eb huajt ishin t\u00eb domosdosh\u00ebm. Nga ana e tyre, nuk do t\u00eb lejohej nj\u00eb masak\u00ebr n\u00eb mes t\u00eb Tiran\u00ebs mbi student\u00ebt q\u00eb protestonin paq\u00ebsisht. T\u00eb huajt kishin shum\u00eb lidhje n\u00eb PD e n\u00eb PS, me strukturat dhe me individ\u00ebt e ndrysh\u00ebm, p\u00ebrmes lidhjeve familjare, etj, q\u00eb u gjall\u00ebruan shpejt, si dhe p\u00ebrmes gazetar\u00ebve nga t\u00eb gjith\u00eb an\u00ebt etj, q\u00eb gjendeshin gjithkund dhe q\u00eb ishin t\u00eb informuar vullnetarisht nga paria e segmentet e saj. <\/p>\n

– Greva ishte spontane, apo nj\u00eb taktik\u00eb e nj\u00eb strategjie politike largpam\u00ebse?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po t\u00eb organizohej mbas zgjedhjeve, si edhe e planifikonim ne t\u00eb Shoqat\u00ebs \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d, mbasi t\u00eb kishim shtrir\u00eb strukturat n\u00eb Universitet e m\u00eb gjer\u00eb, greva do t\u00eb ishte pjes\u00eb e strategjis\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur L\u00ebvizjen Studentore t\u00eb pavarur nga politika dhe p\u00ebr ta kthyer n\u00eb nj\u00eb shpres\u00eb t\u00eb kombit, duke vepruar si struktur\u00eb e shoq\u00ebris\u00eb civile. 15 mij\u00eb student\u00eb n\u00eb Tiran\u00eb dhe po aq n\u00eb institutet e tjera n\u00eb rreth do t\u00eb kishin gjetur vet\u00ebdijen e tyre dhe sensin e sh\u00ebrbimit publik, p\u00ebrmes arritjeve dhe kontributeve t\u00eb vet\u00eb student\u00ebve. Kjo do t\u00eb ishte nj\u00eb investim shum\u00eb i madh dhe i pa\u00e7muesh\u00ebm. Ashtu si\u00e7 edhe u b\u00eb, greva kishte nj\u00eb element pakontrollueshm\u00ebrie q\u00eb e b\u00ebri shum\u00eb spontane. Greva iu binte ndesh interesave t\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve dhe ishte me pasoja t\u00eb r\u00ebnda p\u00ebr sistemin e shoq\u00ebrin\u00eb, k\u00ebshtu q\u00eb nd\u00ebrhyrjet e shpeshta e rrit\u00ebn pa parashikueshm\u00ebrin\u00eb dhe kontrollin e pal\u00ebve mbi procesin. <\/p>\n

– Kush do t\u00eb p\u00ebrfitonte dhe kush do t\u00eb humbiste nga kjo grev\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Nga kjo grev\u00eb do t\u00eb p\u00ebrfitonin t\u00eb gjith\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt. Do t\u00eb humbisnin forcat e err\u00ebta dhe t\u00eb urrejtjes. Do t\u00eb \u00e7lirohej shteti. Do t\u00eb \u00e7liroheshin edhe pjes\u00ebtar\u00ebt e strukturave, t\u00eb shtetit dhe ata q\u00eb ishin t\u00eb lidhur me PPSH-n\u00eb, me nj\u00eb mij\u00eb fije legjitimiteti t\u00eb pazgjidhshme. Do t\u00eb \u00e7liroheshin edhe t\u00eb persekutuari, q\u00eb do t\u00eb ndjeheshin njer\u00ebz normal\u00eb dhe me t\u00eb drejtat e detyra si t\u00eb gjith\u00eb. Ky ishte q\u00ebllimi i jon\u00eb, dhe ai u arrit p\u00ebr disa dit\u00eb, sepse mjafton t\u00eb t\u00eb kujtoj ndjesin\u00eb e \u00e7lirimit shpirt\u00ebror, q\u00eb p\u00ebrjetoi shteti shqiptar n\u00eb dit\u00ebt e m\u00ebpastajme. Si erdhi puna, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb kan\u00eb k\u00ebrkuar ta manipulojn\u00eb, p\u00ebrdorojn\u00eb, shtremb\u00ebrojn\u00eb, etj. Mir\u00ebpo, kan\u00eb p\u00ebrfituar t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, sepse ajo ishte goditja p\u00ebr vdekje n\u00eb zem\u00ebr t\u00eb sistemit. Nga ajo pik\u00eb varej se cila rrug\u00eb do t\u00eb ndiqej dhe k\u00ebta, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb bashk\u00eb, sepse nuk dilnin dot nga l\u00ebkura e tyre, zgjodh\u00ebn m\u00eb t\u00eb keqen e mundshme. <\/p>\n

– A ishin me t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00eb student\u00ebt ”heronjt\u00eb vet\u00ebflijues” apo pionier\u00eb t\u00eb demokracis\u00eb s\u00eb brisht\u00eb shqiptare?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Po. Me nd\u00ebrgjegjen m\u00eb t\u00eb past\u00ebr t\u00eb them se kemi qen\u00eb t\u00eb vet\u00ebdijsh\u00ebm. Ka pasur q\u00eb kan\u00eb hyr\u00eb n\u00eb grev\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb fituar kredi politike p\u00ebr mamin e p\u00ebr babin, e tani na del se kan\u00eb hyr\u00eb edhe p\u00ebr vjehrrin, ka q\u00eb kan\u00eb hyr\u00eb si pengje t\u00eb shum\u00ebfisht\u00eb, edhe t\u00eb sistemit edhe ton\u00ebt, si gruaja e nj\u00ebrit q\u00eb ka hyr\u00eb p\u00ebr vjehrrin, dhe k\u00ebta e kan\u00eb treguar fytyr\u00ebn e tyre. Por n\u00eb lidhje me veten e me shok\u00ebt e mi, them se n\u00ebse dikush niset p\u00ebr t\u00eb vdekur p\u00ebr nj\u00eb objektiv q\u00eb iu sh\u00ebrben t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve, e arrin at\u00eb objektiv dhe nuk vdes, e si shp\u00ebrblim merr posht\u00ebrime e p\u00ebrbuzje p\u00ebr 20 e ca vjet, e prap\u00eb nuk pret asgj\u00eb, si do ta quani ju? Ka shum\u00eb djem e vajza n\u00eb shtetin shqiptar q\u00eb e meritojn\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb respekt. Nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb problem puna e listave se jan\u00eb videot dhe njer\u00ebzit identifikohen leht\u00eb. E bukura \u00ebsht\u00eb se populli shqiptar pati me mij\u00ebra djem e vajza t\u00eb tilla student\u00eb e studente q\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb moment historik, b\u00ebn\u00eb at\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim publik q\u00eb nuk e ka b\u00ebr\u00eb dot njeri tash 23 vjet. Shum\u00eb prej tyre kan\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb kompromise dhe jan\u00eb thyer, por ka shum\u00eb miq t\u00eb mi shum\u00eb q\u00eb jetojn\u00eb me at\u00eb vet\u00ebdije p\u00ebr \u00e7ka kan\u00eb b\u00ebn\u00eb, dhe asgj\u00eb n\u00eb jet\u00ebn e tyre nuk i mbush\u00eb e nuk iu jep at\u00eb ndjesi q\u00eb iu jep kontributi q\u00eb kan\u00eb dh\u00ebn\u00eb p\u00ebr kombin e shtetin n\u00eb at\u00eb pik\u00eb. Me vet\u00ebdije e them se t\u00eb gjith\u00eb e kemi pasur nj\u00eb cop\u00eb heroi n\u00eb vetvete, pun\u00eb tjet\u00ebr a e kan\u00eb shitur, p\u00ebrdhosur, apo humbur shum\u00eb nga ata q\u00eb ishin pjes\u00eb e asaj L\u00ebvizjeje Studentore. Ato koh\u00eb kan\u00eb p\u00ebrcaktuar se kush jemi ne. Nga ana tjet\u00ebr, kemi qen\u00eb edhe pioner\u00eb t\u00eb demokracis\u00eb shqiptare. Ne, student\u00ebt, i kemi b\u00ebr\u00eb zgjedhjet e para t\u00eb lira demokratike me 11 Dhjetor 1990. Mir\u00ebpo, ne nuk e kemi kuptuar demokracin\u00eb si nj\u00eb mobilizim t\u00eb katundar\u00ebve p\u00ebr t\u00eb vjedhur nga thesari i shtetit, por si nj\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb zgjedhur njer\u00ebzit q\u00eb do t\u00eb b\u00ebnin m\u00eb t\u00eb mir\u00ebn p\u00ebr kombin e shtetin. Humb\u00ebm ne, dhe fituan \u00e7akall\u00ebt e hienat e paris\u00eb, skuthat e inteligjencies dhe t\u00eb strukturave, mir\u00ebpo, kjo nuk e ka ndryshuar qart\u00ebsin\u00eb dhe sakt\u00ebsin\u00eb e atij kuptimi e besimi t\u00eb demokracis\u00eb nga ana e jon\u00eb. <\/p>\n

– Cilat ishin forcat e brendshme q\u00eb e shtyn\u00eb p\u00ebrpara kryerjen e k\u00ebtij misioni historik dhe cil\u00ebt ishin ata q\u00eb punuan nat\u00eb e dit\u00eb kund\u00ebr zhvillimit dhe suksesit t\u00eb nd\u00ebrmarrjes studentore?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Eh, ky tranzicion \u00ebsht\u00eb kthyer n\u00eb nj\u00eb tragjedi komb\u00ebtare pik\u00ebrisht sepse k\u00ebta q\u00eb ishin n\u00eb loj\u00eb, pjes\u00ebtar\u00ebt e paris\u00eb s\u00eb Tiran\u00ebs, Blloku, inteligjenca, profesorati dhe profesionist\u00ebt e lan\u00eb popullin n\u00eb balt\u00eb dhe punuan vet\u00ebm e vet\u00ebm p\u00ebr interesat e tyre. K\u00ebta jan\u00eb strukturat q\u00eb e lan\u00eb shtetin n\u00eb mes t\u00eb kat\u00ebr rrug\u00ebve; intelektual\u00ebt q\u00eb u turr\u00ebn t\u00eb b\u00ebhen milioner\u00eb; politikan\u00ebt q\u00eb shkat\u00ebrruan ekonomin\u00eb, industrin\u00eb e bujq\u00ebsin\u00eb; paria q\u00eb e p\u00ebrbuzi dhe e refuzoi p\u00ebr t\u2019i sh\u00ebrbyer popullit t\u00eb vet; triumfi i krimit dhe i t\u00eb keqes morale q\u00eb u tolerua dhe u promovua sistematikisht e q\u00ebllimisht nga paria e Tiran\u00ebs. q\u00eb i kishim t\u00eb gjith\u00eb kund\u00ebr e dinim me koh\u00eb, mir\u00ebpo gjat\u00eb koh\u00ebs s\u00eb grev\u00ebs e kuptuam shum\u00eb qart\u00eb se edhe ata na kishin shum\u00eb frik\u00eb. K\u00ebshtu e mbyll\u00ebn universitetin, i nis\u00ebn student\u00ebt n\u00ebp\u00ebr sht\u00ebpia dhe n\u00eb tre dit\u00eb me anijet ik\u00ebn 6.000 student\u00eb nga shteti shqiptar. T\u00eb mos flasim p\u00ebr p\u00ebrndjekjet, arrestimet, tentativat p\u00ebr vrasje, presionet e gjithfar\u00eb metode tjet\u00ebr. Megjithat\u00eb, zgjidhja e duhur kalon pik\u00ebrisht tek ai shtegu q\u00eb kemi th\u00ebn\u00eb ne: nd\u00ebrtimi i duhur i shtet-kombit shqiptar, demokratik, me nj\u00eb ekonomi tregu t\u00eb institucionalizuar, me drejt\u00ebsi e ligj n\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim t\u00eb t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve, me mbrojtje p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, dhe me nj\u00eb interes komb\u00ebtar t\u00eb qart\u00eb e t\u00eb padiskutuesh\u00ebm. <\/p>\n

– Cili ishte roli i partive politike n\u00eb at\u00eb periudh\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ramiz Alia kishte frenat n\u00eb dor\u00eb, dhe, pavar\u00ebsisht \u00e7ka ndodhi me ne, u soll si burr\u00eb shteti. Partit\u00eb e tjera politike ishin n\u00eb nj\u00eb gjendje terrori. P\u00ebrpjekja e t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve ishte q\u00eb t\u00eb shmangej ajo q\u00eb ndodhi. Edhe me ndihm\u00ebn e student\u00ebve brenda grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb, nuk ia arrit\u00ebn. Dikush do t\u00eb dal\u00eb e t\u00eb tregoj\u00eb se si p\u00ebr tre dit\u00eb, t\u00eb gjith\u00eb ishin peng t\u00eb nj\u00eb force q\u00eb nuk e kontrollonin dot. <\/p>\n

– Cili ishte roli q\u00eb luajt\u00ebn udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsit e PD-s\u00eb, Berisha dhe Hajdari?<\/strong>\u2028<\/p>\n

\u00c7far\u00eb roli? K\u00ebta ishin vegla. Me Azemin jemi p\u00ebrplasur shum\u00eb her\u00eb. Ca dihen, ca nuk dihen. N\u00eb nj\u00eb rast erdhi p\u00ebr t\u00eb prishur grev\u00ebn dhe e vum\u00eb t\u00eb rrinte tek nj\u00eb der\u00eb e shkulur nevojtoreje. Saliu ishte i vet\u00ebdijsh\u00ebm se \u00e7ka po ndodhte, ishte nd\u00ebrmjet\u00ebsi i strukturave dhe ishte t\u00ebr\u00ebsisht kund\u00ebr Grev\u00ebs s\u00eb Uris\u00eb. Do t\u00eb flas her\u00eb tjet\u00ebr p\u00ebr Saliun. Por ishte kaq i pafytyr\u00eb sa edhe k\u00ebrkoi t\u00eb mbyllte grev\u00ebn. Ia hoqa mikrofonin nga dora, n\u00eb miting fola vet\u00eb dhe nuk b\u00ebnte as g\u00ebk as m\u00ebk. Ata mij\u00ebra vet\u00eb q\u00eb kan\u00eb qen\u00eb n\u00eb Qytetin Studenti, n\u00ebse e mbajn\u00eb mend se \u00e7ka kam th\u00ebn\u00eb, do t\u00eb thon\u00eb se kam th\u00ebn\u00eb se \u00e7far\u00eb sh\u00ebrbimi ishte kjo grev\u00eb p\u00ebr kombin e shtetin nga ana e L\u00ebvizjes Studentore dhe se ishte e shk\u00ebputur nga partit\u00eb politike e nga kontrolli i tyre. Por edhe k\u00ebta duheshin. Sistemi na toleroi, sepse gjat\u00eb dy dit\u00ebve t\u00eb para derisa hyra n\u00eb Komision un\u00eb e Fred Gemi besonin se PD i kontrollonte student\u00ebt drejtues.<\/p>\n

– Kush mori pjes\u00eb n\u00eb grev\u00ebn e uris\u00eb? Ka shum\u00eb emra, debate por nuk ka lista t\u00eb plota?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Lista ka, por do t\u00eb dalin kur t\u00eb vij\u00eb koha. Greva duhej t\u00eb p\u00ebrdorej si gjethe fiku politike p\u00ebr shum\u00eb njer\u00ebz dhe, ashtu si pritej, u p\u00ebrdor p\u00ebr t\u00eb mbuluar krimet e posht\u00ebrsit\u00eb e tyre gjat\u00eb tranzicionit. Deri n\u00eb m\u00ebngjesin e 18 Shkurtit ka pasur vet\u00ebm 108 emra n\u00eb list\u00eb. T\u00eb tjer\u00ebt i mori vala dhe hyn\u00eb n\u00eb grev\u00eb, kur pan\u00eb entuziazmin e momentit t\u00eb hyrjes n\u00eb grev\u00eb s\u00eb k\u00ebtyre 108 vet\u00ebve dhe u b\u00ebn\u00eb 753 vet\u00eb. Mir\u00ebpo, nuk ka r\u00ebnd\u00ebsi aq shum\u00eb kjo gj\u00eb, kush hyri e kush ishte, sepse kjo grev\u00eb iu sh\u00ebrbeu t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve dhe iu takon t\u00eb gjith\u00ebve. Aq m\u00eb mir\u00eb, q\u00eb nuk ka formalisht lista t\u00eb plota. Sepse kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb greva e shqiptar\u00ebve e jo vet\u00ebm e atyre q\u00eb ishin brenda. Tuneli iu takon t\u00eb gjith\u00eb udh\u00ebtar\u00ebve e jo atyre q\u00eb e g\u00ebrmojn\u00eb. Greva ishte tuneli p\u00ebr t\u2019i nxjerr\u00eb n\u00eb drit\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt.<\/p>\n

– Kush ishte fati i student\u00ebve grevist\u00eb dhe i universitetit? <\/strong><\/p>\n

Duke e par\u00eb vullkanizimin e gjendjes, universiteti u mbyll nga Ramiz Alia, Sk\u00ebnder Gjinushi, Kastriot Islami etj. Tashm\u00eb, Universiteti \u00ebsht\u00eb kthyer n\u00eb nj\u00eb gjendje mjerane, sa kur e sheh Qytetin Studenti, apo nd\u00ebrtesat, t\u00eb merr vaji. Mir\u00ebpo \u00ebsht\u00eb e kuptueshme. Nj\u00eb koh\u00eb, politikan\u00ebt e paris\u00eb e kishin m\u00eb shum\u00eb frik\u00eb rinin\u00eb studentore se ushtrin\u00eb, q\u00eb e kishin n\u00ebn kontroll dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb thyer rinin\u00eb, nd\u00ebrtuan m\u00eb shum\u00eb mejhane e disko, se sa klasa. N\u00eb lidhje me ata q\u00eb ishin pjes\u00ebmarr\u00ebs t\u00eb saj, shum\u00eb nga student\u00ebt mor\u00ebn rrug\u00ebt e m\u00ebrgimit. Ata q\u00eb iu sh\u00ebrbyen strukturave, mor\u00ebn shp\u00ebrblimin, duke u b\u00ebr\u00eb deputet\u00eb, drejtor\u00eb, e me radh\u00eb. E k\u00ebshtu hesht\u00ebn me nd\u00ebrgjegje, shtremb\u00ebruan t\u00eb v\u00ebrtet\u00ebn, shk\u00ebmbyen nj\u00eb akt historik e nderin e tyre me kotheren dhe tani as nuk duan t\u00eb flasin p\u00ebr at\u00eb veprim historik, q\u00eb duhet t\u2019iu jap\u00eb nder e dinjitet, mir\u00ebpo as nuk guxojn\u00eb q\u00eb t\u00eb flasin. Mir\u00ebpo, greva \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb fakt historik. Pavar\u00ebsisht nga sjellja e secilit, ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb nga momentet m\u00eb t\u00eb ndritura n\u00eb historin\u00eb shqiptare. Ajo na takon ne, \u00ebsht\u00eb kontributi i jon\u00eb, dhe nuk ka kodosh politike shqiptare q\u00eb ta p\u00ebrvet\u00ebsoj\u00eb. <\/p>\n

– Sot, pas 23 vjet\u00ebsh, sa \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrmbushur ajo \u00ebnd\u00ebrr dhe luft\u00eb p\u00ebr demokraci?<\/strong><\/p>\n

\u00cbndrra jon\u00eb ka mbetur \u00ebnd\u00ebrr. Shkurt, shteti dhe kombi jan\u00eb peng i forcave t\u00eb err\u00ebta t\u00eb paris\u00eb s\u00eb Tiran\u00ebs. Kemi m\u00eb shum\u00eb mall e m\u00eb pak vlera, m\u00eb shum\u00eb krim e m\u00eb pak moral, me shum\u00eb sende e m\u00eb pak dashuri p\u00ebr tjetrin. Ka triumfuar e keqja, bab\u00ebzia, lakmia, zvet\u00ebnimi dhe ndyr\u00ebsia njer\u00ebzore. Edhe pse jemi m\u00eb mir\u00eb, jemi edhe m\u00eb keq. Jemi thuajse n\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn pik\u00eb humbjeje shprese e nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr ndryshim, n\u00eb t\u00eb cil\u00ebn po e kuptojm\u00eb se kjo rrug\u00eb na ka \u00e7uar n\u00eb nj\u00eb pik\u00eb tjet\u00ebr t\u00eb zeros nga ku duhet filluar ndryshimi i v\u00ebrtet\u00eb.<\/p>\n

– Po sot, si duhet kremtuar 20 shkurti i 1991-shit?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Mos u merrni me PD-n\u00eb, sepse L\u00ebvizja Studentore dhe PD jan\u00eb dy gj\u00ebra t\u00eb ndryshme. Greva nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb demokracin\u00eb, sepse nuk b\u00ebhet demokracia duke shembur, demokracia b\u00ebhet duke nd\u00ebrtuar. Greva \u00ebsht\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb shembur idhujt e rrem\u00eb dhe p\u00ebr t\u00eb \u00e7liruar shqiptar\u00ebt, q\u00eb pastaj, mbi shembjen e t\u00eb keqes, t\u00eb mund t\u00eb nd\u00ebrtonin demokracin\u00eb e t\u00eb ardhmen e duhur, pa idhuj t\u00eb rrem\u00eb e duke ruajtur shtetin. <\/p>\n

– Dhe a \u00ebsht\u00eb pik\u00eb politike vet\u00ebm e PD-s\u00eb 20 shkurti i 1991-shit, apo \u00ebsht\u00eb pik\u00eb referimi p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjitha forcat politike?<\/strong><\/p>\n

20 Shkurti nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb pik\u00eb referimi p\u00ebr PD-n\u00eb, e jo m\u00eb t\u00eb jet\u00eb pik\u00eb politike e saj. Nuk e solli PD-ja 20 Shkurtin. At\u00eb e ideuan, organizuan e drejtuan student\u00ebt, Shoqata Studentore \u201cFan S. Noli\u201d dhe t\u00eb gjith\u00eb ata q\u00eb dol\u00ebn n\u00eb shesh dhe e rr\u00ebzuan statuj\u00ebn, si dhe t\u00eb gjith\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebt q\u00eb e kuptuan r\u00ebnd\u00ebsin\u00eb e asaj dite dhe mor\u00ebn frym\u00eb lirsh\u00ebm. Ajo \u00ebsht\u00eb prika q\u00eb nj\u00eb brez, brezi i shk\u00eblqyesh\u00ebm i L\u00ebvizjes Studentore, ia b\u00ebri ardhm\u00ebris\u00eb s\u00eb shqiptar\u00ebve.<\/p>\n

– Protesta q\u00eb do t\u00eb organizoj\u00eb PD-ja n\u00eb 20 shkurt 2014, a kan\u00eb rezonanc\u00eb me idealet e grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb t\u00eb 20 shkurtit 2014?<\/strong><\/p>\n

PD-ja po k\u00ebrkon t\u00eb p\u00ebrdor\u00eb nj\u00eb moment historik, ta p\u00ebrvet\u00ebsoj\u00eb, t\u00eb lidh\u00eb shembjen e sistemit t\u00eb at\u00ebhersh\u00ebm me shembjen e sistemit t\u00eb bijve, kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb hilja e tyre. Mir\u00ebpo 20 Shkurti i at\u00ebhersh\u00ebm ishte fillimi p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb, dhe ky 20 Shkurt \u00ebsht\u00eb ruajtja e interesave t\u00eb familjes Berisha. Djall\u00ebzia e Berish\u00ebs nuk ka fund, mir\u00ebpo edhe duhet kuptuar. Nuk ka rrug\u00eb tjet\u00ebr p\u00ebr t\u00eb ruajtur familjen dhe qent\u00eb kur grinden p\u00ebr kocka, fillojn\u00eb e kafshojn\u00eb nj\u00ebri-tjetrin.<\/p>\n

– Ju p\u00ebrse u distancuat nga PD-ja?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Ashtu si ishte imagjinuar nga PPSH-ja, PD-ja do t\u00eb ishte partia e krundeve t\u00eb sit\u00ebs. Un\u00eb vija nga nj\u00eb familje e koh\u00ebs. Familja ime nga babai ka qen\u00eb shum\u00eb e lidhur me sistemin; familja nga n\u00ebna edhe pse shum\u00eb atdhetare ka qen\u00eb shum\u00eb e persekutuar. Por, un\u00eb vet\u00eb jam rritur si komb\u00ebtarist dhe atdhetar. Nuk kam qen\u00eb p\u00ebr hakmarrje por p\u00ebr vet\u00ebsakrifikim, s\u2019kam qen\u00eb p\u00ebr urrejtje, por p\u00ebr shpres\u00eb, jo p\u00ebr vazhdimin e t\u00eb keqes nga nj\u00eb pal\u00eb por p\u00ebr nj\u00eb fillim t\u00ebri p\u00ebr t\u00eb gjith\u00eb.<\/p>\n

– \u00c7ka ndodhi pas Grev\u00ebs s\u00eb Uris\u00eb?<\/strong><\/p>\n

Pas Grev\u00ebs s\u00eb Uris\u00eb, nis\u00ebm nj\u00eb projekt p\u00ebr nj\u00eb parti t\u00eb P\u00ebrparimit Komb\u00ebtar, po nuk gjet\u00ebm mb\u00ebshtetje, \u00e7ka edhe pritej, sepse, kush ishim ne? Duke ndjer\u00eb presionet e forta, dhe duke e ditur se ngado q\u00eb t\u00eb shkonte loja, po t\u00eb mos iu ngjitesha k\u00ebtyre partive si veg\u00ebl e p\u00ebrdorueshme, un\u00eb isha i humbur, edhe me konsensusin e pal\u00ebve, u largova nga shteti shqiptar si kryetar i nj\u00eb delegacioni, i ftuar nga jasht\u00eb. Pra, zgjedhja e ime ishte m\u00eb mir\u00eb vet\u00ebm e me nder duke sprovuar jet\u00ebn e hidhur t\u00eb kurbetit, se n\u00eb shoq\u00ebri t\u00eb plehrave, milioner dhe i p\u00ebrdhosur p\u00ebr jet\u00eb. Po at\u00eb q\u00eb ka ndodhur k\u00ebta nuk e zhb\u00ebjn\u00eb dot, dhe un\u00eb jam krejt i qet\u00eb me nd\u00ebrgjegjen time, sepse ai rast \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u00eb treguar veten dhe dashurin\u00eb p\u00ebr popullin t\u00ebnd, nuk i vjen kujt dy her\u00eb n\u00eb jet\u00eb.<\/p>\n

Intervistoi: Jakup B. GJO\u00c7A<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Shenasi Rama, themeluesi i Shoqat\u00ebs Studentore \u201cFan Noli\u201d dhe organizatori i grev\u00ebs s\u00eb uris\u00eb s\u00eb student\u00ebve, n\u00eb intervist\u00ebn p\u00ebr gazet\u00ebn \u201cSOT\u201d tregon se ishin 108 student\u00eb q\u00eb filluan grev\u00ebn e uris\u00eb dhe t\u00eb tjer\u00ebt u bashkuan nga entuziazmi, kur u pa se fitorja u arrit. 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