{"id":12913,"date":"2013-07-02T22:18:26","date_gmt":"2013-07-02T21:18:26","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fjala.info\/?p=3499"},"modified":"2013-07-02T22:18:26","modified_gmt":"2013-07-02T21:18:26","slug":"intervista-rusmali-arroganca-e-berishes-coi-ne-humbjen-e-thelle-po-zgjidhet-kryetari-i-ri-pa-u-analizuar-humbja","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fjala.info\/2009-2015\/intervista-rusmali-arroganca-e-berishes-coi-ne-humbjen-e-thelle-po-zgjidhet-kryetari-i-ri-pa-u-analizuar-humbja\/","title":{"rendered":"INTERVISTA\/ Rusmali: Arroganca e Berish\u00ebs \u00e7oi n\u00eb humbjen e thell\u00eb. Po zgjidhet kryetari i ri pa u analizuar humbja"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7236\" title=\"Ilir Rusmali\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fjala.info\/2013\/ilir_rusmali.jpg\" width=\"200\" \/> <strong>TemA Online<\/strong>, <em>2 Korrik 2013<\/em><\/p>\n<p>\u201c<strong><em>Kryetari i Partis\u00eb, kryeministri i vendit, e prezantoi fushat\u00ebn si betej\u00ebn e tij personale. Fitorja dhe humbja k\u00ebt\u00eb her\u00eb mund t\u00eb kishin vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb em\u00ebr, emrin e tij. I gjith\u00eb lidershipi i PD-s\u00eb pranoi me k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsi t\u00eb zhdukej nga faqja e dheut, t\u00eb zhb\u00ebhej, t\u00eb vihej n\u00eb bisht. E vun\u00eb re shqiptar\u00ebt, e vuri re dhe media. Kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb platform\u00eb, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb program. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb sjellje, q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb \u00e7udi t\u00eb jet\u00eb etiketuar nga votuesit si arrogante<\/em><\/strong>\u201d, tha n\u00eb nj\u00eb intervist\u00eb p\u00ebr Radion Evropa e Lir\u00eb, ish ministri i Drejt\u00ebsis\u00eb n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, Ilir Rusmali.<\/p>\n<p>PD p\u00ebsoi nj\u00eb humbje t\u00eb thell\u00eb n\u00eb zgjedhjet e 23 qershorit dhe, pa kaluar nj\u00eb jav\u00eb, nisi nj\u00eb proces t\u00eb shpejt\u00eb rigjenerimi me hapjen e fushat\u00ebs p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri. \u00c7far\u00eb prisni ju nga ky proces?<\/p>\n<p>P\u00ebrgjigja e pyetjes \u00ebsht\u00eb mjaft komplekse dhe e v\u00ebshtir\u00eb. Ju flisni p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri nd\u00ebrkoh\u00eb q\u00eb demokrat\u00ebt ende nuk kan\u00eb marr\u00eb veten nga humbja trondit\u00ebse e zgjedhjeve politike.<\/p>\n<p>Ende nuk ka nj\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigje t\u00eb sakt\u00eb, t\u00eb besueshme dhe t\u00eb gjith\u00ebpranuar p\u00ebr shkaqet e humbjes dhe, n\u00ebse p\u00ebrkthej sakt\u00eb fjal\u00ebt e kryetarit Berisha n\u00eb mbledhjen e kryesis\u00eb, me t\u00eb cil\u00ebn nis\u00ebn procedurat p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri, nuk pritet q\u00eb kjo t\u00eb ndodh\u00eb deri n\u00eb p\u00ebrfundim t\u00eb procesit.<\/p>\n<p>Analiz\u00ebn e zgjedhjeve do ta b\u00ebj\u00eb kryetari i ri dhe forumet q\u00eb do t\u00eb p\u00ebrzgjedh\u00eb ai, pas zgjedhjes s\u00eb tyre, gjithnj\u00eb n\u00ebse ata do ta shohin t\u00eb arsyeshme t\u00eb merren me k\u00ebt\u00eb pun\u00eb. Berisha e konsideroi zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri t\u00eb partis\u00eb si fillimin e ri p\u00ebr partin\u00eb, si fillimin e kthes\u00ebs, si fillimin e fitores.<\/p>\n<p>Por fakti q\u00eb analiza e humbjes nuk po i paraprin procesit b\u00ebn q\u00eb zgjedhja e kryetarit t\u00eb mos b\u00ebhet dot fillimi, kapitulli i par\u00eb i fitores, por t\u00eb ngelet kapitulli i fundit (ose i radh\u00ebs) i humbjes, gj\u00eb q\u00eb e b\u00ebn gjith\u00eb procesin t\u00eb panatyrsh\u00ebm dhe joracional.<\/p>\n<p><strong>I panatyrsh\u00ebm dhe joracional vet\u00ebm pse nuk po ndiqet radha?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Sigurisht. N\u00eb qoft\u00eb se nuk ndiqet radha do t\u00eb thot\u00eb se ende nuk dihen arsyet p\u00ebrse humb\u00ebm, ose p\u00ebrse humb\u00ebm kaq thell\u00eb, do t\u00eb thot\u00eb se askush nuk mund t\u00eb thot\u00eb me siguri se zgjedhja e shpejt\u00eb e kryetarit t\u00eb ri \u00ebsht\u00eb shp\u00ebtimi, apo \u00ebsht\u00eb thellimi a degjenerimi i s\u00eb keqes, se shkaku i humbjes q\u00ebndronte tek udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsi, si\u00e7 tha Berisha, apo tek gjith\u00eb ekipi drejtues, tek programi elektoral, apo tek metodologjia, tek objektivat e shpallura, apo tek mesazhet e pap\u00eblqyeshme.<\/p>\n<p>N\u00eb qoft\u00eb se nuk ndiqet radha dhe nuk nxjerrim m\u00ebsime nga humbja trondit\u00ebse, at\u00ebher\u00eb rrezikojm\u00eb q\u00eb zgjidhja q\u00eb do i ofrojm\u00eb demokrat\u00ebve dhe shqiptar\u00ebve n\u00eb fund t\u00eb procesit t\u00eb jet\u00eb sakt\u00ebsisht e kund\u00ebrta e asaj q\u00eb presin ata. N\u00ebse ata presin drejtimin e ri, ne mund tu ofrojm\u00eb nj\u00eb drejtim akoma m\u00eb t\u00eb vjet\u00ebr. N\u00ebse ata presin liderin e panjoll\u00eb, ne mund t\u2019u dhurojm\u00eb liderin e p\u00ebrlyer. N\u00ebse ata presin udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsin e fort\u00eb, karizmatik, largpam\u00ebs, t\u00eb pavarur, t\u00eb vendosur e energjik, ne mund tu ofrojm\u00eb udh\u00ebheq\u00ebsin kukull, pa shpirt, pa vizion, pa autoritet e anemik.<\/p>\n<p>Por jo vet\u00ebm kaq. Un\u00eb kam frik\u00eb se nxitimi p\u00ebr t\u00eb p\u00ebrmbyllur me shpejt\u00ebsi procesin, rrezikon ta d\u00ebshtoj\u00eb vet\u00eb at\u00eb. Procesi rrezikon t\u00eb b\u00ebhet formal, i paracaktuar, pa konkurrenc\u00eb reale autoritetesh dhe vlerash, fals e teatral. Procesi rrezikon t\u00eb p\u00ebrcillet me mosbesim e indiferenc\u00eb nga demokrat\u00ebt dhe shqiptar\u00ebt, p\u00ebr pasoj\u00eb, t\u00eb mos i bind\u00eb ata. Pasoja, n\u00ebse ndodh k\u00ebshtu \u00ebsht\u00eb devastante. Vet\u00ebm se kjo nuk ka p\u00ebr tu v\u00ebn\u00eb re tani. Do t\u00eb vihet re n\u00eb zgjedhjet e radh\u00ebs p\u00ebr pushtetin lokal dhe, akoma m\u00eb shum\u00eb n\u00eb zgjedhjet e ardhshme politike. Humb\u00ebsi i par\u00eb i k\u00ebtij nxitimi dhe k\u00ebsaj mendjeleht\u00ebsie, pa dyshim q\u00eb do jet\u00eb, kryetari i ri i partis\u00eb. P\u00ebrfituesi m\u00eb i madh prej tij do jet\u00eb pa dyshim kund\u00ebrshtari yn\u00eb politik.<\/p>\n<p>Si duhet vepruar at\u00ebher\u00eb, sipas jush?<\/p>\n<p>Duke b\u00ebr\u00eb analiz\u00ebn e humbjes. Pa vones\u00eb! Me vendosm\u00ebri!<\/p>\n<p>Pse nuk e provoni ju nj\u00ebher\u00eb? Cila \u00ebsht\u00eb analiza juaj?<\/p>\n<p>Gjat\u00eb k\u00ebtyre dit\u00ebve analist\u00ebt jan\u00eb p\u00ebrqendruar shum\u00eb n\u00eb arsyetimin se humbja ishte pasoj\u00eb e arroganc\u00ebs edhe pse k\u00ebt\u00eb term e kan\u00eb interpretuar n\u00eb m\u00ebnyra t\u00eb ndryshme. Un\u00eb e di se leximi \u00ebsht\u00eb gjithmon\u00eb personal, por un\u00eb besoj se fakti q\u00eb ata konkordojn\u00eb n\u00eb mas\u00eb e b\u00ebn k\u00ebt\u00eb lexim t\u00eb sakt\u00eb e t\u00eb besuesh\u00ebm. Prandaj dhe sot po preferoj t\u2019i p\u00ebrgjigjem pyetjes jo duke dh\u00ebn\u00eb p\u00ebrjetimin tim, analiz\u00ebn time, por duke sjell\u00eb n\u00eb v\u00ebmendje p\u00ebrjetimin dhe arsyetimin e analist\u00ebve.<\/p>\n<p>Ata jan\u00eb goja e opinionit publik. Analiza e tyre \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00eb gjith\u00ebp\u00ebrfshir\u00ebse. Vota-nd\u00ebshkim p\u00ebr arroganc\u00ebn do t\u00eb thot\u00eb leht\u00ebsisht se nd\u00ebshkimi nuk kishte lidhje as me ekonomin\u00eb, as me pagat, as me sh\u00ebndet\u00ebsin\u00eb, as me rrug\u00ebt, me nj\u00eb fjal\u00eb as me arritjet, as me premtimet. Nd\u00ebshkimi kishte lidhje me sjelljen e lidershipit (k\u00ebtu nuk kam parasysh vet\u00ebm Berish\u00ebn edhe pse ai, jasht\u00eb \u00e7do dyshimi, ka qen\u00eb shtylla kurrizore e fushat\u00ebs).<\/p>\n<p>K\u00ebto dit\u00eb m\u00eb ka b\u00ebr\u00eb shum\u00eb p\u00ebrshtypje nj\u00eb koment-d\u00ebshmi e analistit t\u00eb mir\u00ebnjohur Blendi Fevziu. Fevziu ka reputacionin e merituar t\u00eb nj\u00eb gazetari t\u00eb mir\u00ebinformuar edhe p\u00ebr gj\u00ebra q\u00eb opinioni mund t\u00eb mos i m\u00ebsoj\u00eb kurr\u00eb n\u00eb jet\u00eb. Fevziu d\u00ebshmonte n\u00eb nj\u00eb shkrim t\u00eb para disa dit\u00ebve se n\u00eb mesin e muajit prill (pak para fillimit t\u00eb fushat\u00ebs) PD-ja ishte sipas sondazheve 5 pike pas PS-s\u00eb (koalicionet e kam fjal\u00ebn). \u00cbsht\u00eb e vet\u00ebkuptueshme se kjo diferenc\u00eb e rikuperueshme mund t\u2019i ngarkohet n\u00eb shpin\u00eb konsumit q\u00eb t\u00eb vjen nga qeverisja.<\/p>\n<p>Por k\u00ebto sondazhe e nxirrnin PD-n\u00eb 12 dit\u00eb p\u00ebrpara dat\u00ebs s\u00eb zgjedhjeve 16 pik\u00eb pas PS-s\u00eb. Kjo do t\u00eb thot\u00eb se n\u00eb nj\u00eb muaj fushat\u00eb me ne kishte ndodhur nj\u00eb katastrof\u00eb e v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, q\u00eb t\u00eb mund t\u00eb justifikoj\u00eb r\u00ebnien vertikale. Prandaj pyes veten \u00e7far\u00eb kemi bere me sjelljen tone (me sjelljen, jo me programin, as me angazhimet e fushat\u00ebs) q\u00eb paskemi shkaktuar t\u00ebrmet tek njer\u00ebzit dhe jemi shfaqur p\u00ebrpara tyre si arrogant\u00eb t\u00eb papranuesh\u00ebm? T\u00eb tjer\u00eb mund t\u00eb rreshtojn\u00eb m\u00eb shum\u00eb, por un\u00eb mund t\u00eb rreshtoj vetem kaq:<\/p>\n<p>Kryetari i Partis\u00eb, kryeministri i vendit, e prezantoi fushat\u00ebn si betej\u00ebn e tij personale. Fitorja dhe humbja k\u00ebt\u00eb her\u00eb mund t\u00eb kishin vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb em\u00ebr, emrin e tij. I gjith\u00eb lidershipi i PD-s\u00eb pranoi me k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsi t\u00eb zhdukej nga faqja e dheut, t\u00eb zhb\u00ebhej, t\u00eb vihej n\u00eb bisht. E vun\u00eb re shqiptar\u00ebt, e vuri re dhe media. Kjo nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb platform\u00eb, nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb program. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb sjellje, q\u00eb nuk \u00ebsht\u00eb \u00e7udi t\u00eb jet\u00eb etiketuar nga votuesit si arrogante.<\/p>\n<p>Kryetari i partis\u00eb vet\u00eb, pa ndihm\u00ebn dhe as kund\u00ebrshtimin e kurrkujt hartoi listat e kandidat\u00ebve jasht\u00eb \u00e7do lloj parim\u00ebsie dhe justifikimi moral, politik dhe ligjor. Futi n\u00eb listat e PD-s\u00eb eksponent\u00eb t\u00eb spikatur apo tejet agresiv t\u00eb s\u00eb majt\u00ebs dhe u k\u00ebrkoi demokrat\u00ebve t\u00eb votonin n\u00eb m\u00ebnyr\u00eb t\u00eb kund\u00ebrnatyrshme p\u00ebr ta, futi n\u00eb lista pa pasur fare nevoj\u00eb kryetar\u00ebt e partive t\u00eb tjera dhe u k\u00ebrkoi demokrat\u00ebve t\u2019i mir\u00ebprisnin ata sikur t\u00eb ishin demokrat\u00eb. K\u00ebto veprime mesa duket u lexuan menj\u00ebher\u00eb nga demokrat\u00ebt si veprime qe i hiqnin PD-s\u00eb s\u00eb paku 100 mij\u00eb vota. Edhe kjo ishte sjellje, jo platform\u00eb apo program.<\/p>\n<p>S\u00eb fundi, mbushi pjes\u00ebn tjet\u00ebr t\u00eb listave vet\u00ebm n\u00eb baz\u00eb t\u00eb nj\u00eb kriteri: t\u00eb klientelizmit. K\u00ebtu nuk po ndalem gjat\u00eb, se b\u00ebj pjes\u00eb tek t\u00eb pak\u00ebnaqurit dhe do m\u00eb quajn\u00eb n\u00eb konflikt interesi. Por ama duhet t\u00eb theksoj se edhe kjo sjellje u interpretua qartazi dhe gjer\u00ebsisht si arrogante.<\/p>\n<p>Sjellja e fundit q\u00eb un\u00eb kam mundur t\u00eb identifikoj \u00ebsht\u00eb fakti se, q\u00eb n\u00eb fushat\u00eb dhe jasht\u00eb \u00e7do lloj konteksti, Kryetari i partis\u00eb dhe media rreth tij u p\u00ebrpoq t\u00eb profilizonte trash\u00ebgimtarin q\u00eb Kryetari kishte caktuar p\u00ebr demokrat\u00ebt. Me k\u00ebto zgjedhje demokrat\u00ebt po lidhnin pazgjidhshm\u00ebrisht jo vet\u00ebm qeverisjen, por edhe fatin e tyre politik.<\/p>\n<p>Edhe pse mund t\u00eb duket cinike, demokrat\u00ebt dukeshin t\u00eb l\u00ebn\u00eb pa alternativa dhe pa mund\u00ebsi zgjedhjeje. Edhe kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb jasht\u00eb \u00e7do lloj dyshimi sjellje q\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb p\u00ebrcjell\u00eb si arrogante. Q\u00eb t\u00eb mos ta zgjas shum\u00eb, n\u00ebse opinionist\u00ebt thon\u00eb \u00ebsht\u00eb arroganca, at\u00ebher\u00eb arroganca duhet k\u00ebrkuar tek gjestet. N\u00ebse demokrat\u00ebt na kan\u00eb votuar kund\u00ebr, at\u00ebher\u00eb, gjeste arrogante jan\u00eb ato q\u00eb kan\u00eb zem\u00ebruar demokrat\u00ebt.<\/p>\n<p>Dhe si mund ta ndihmoje kjo analize procesin p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit te ri?<\/p>\n<p>Le t\u00eb shohim se \u00e7\u2019po ndodh: Procesi p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri duhet t\u00eb p\u00ebrjetohet nga demokrat\u00ebt si nj\u00eb proces sh\u00ebrimi, n\u00ebse duam q\u00eb ai t\u00eb jet\u00eb pozitiv. Duhet t\u00eb p\u00ebrcillet jo si arroganc\u00eb e re, por si p\u00ebrul\u00ebsi e thell\u00eb, pse jo si ndjes\u00eb e k\u00ebrkuar me zem\u00ebr n\u00eb dor\u00eb dhe me shpres\u00eb p\u00ebr mir\u00ebkuptim. A \u00ebsht\u00eb i till\u00eb n\u00eb fakt procesi deri tani? Ti marrim gjerat me radhe:<\/p>\n<p>Kryetari i partis\u00eb ka dh\u00ebn\u00eb dor\u00ebheqjen, por procesi po drejtohet nga fillimi deri n\u00eb fund prej tij (shenj\u00eb e keqe). Lista e deputet\u00ebve ishte pjes\u00eb thelb\u00ebsore e pak\u00ebnaq\u00ebsis\u00eb popullore, por kryetari i partis\u00eb deklaron se procesi p\u00ebr zgjedhjen e kryetarit t\u00eb ri do t\u00eb ket\u00eb n\u00eb baz\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb list\u00eb fam\u00ebkeqe (shenj\u00eb e keqe dhe kjo).<\/p>\n<p>Kandidati i projektuar si fitues \u00ebsht\u00eb po ai trash\u00ebgimtari i fushat\u00ebs. P\u00ebr t\u00eb jemi gati t\u00eb ndryshojm\u00eb procedurat statusore, t\u00eb mbajm\u00eb n\u00eb kontroll t\u00eb rrept\u00eb partin\u00eb, t\u00eb nd\u00ebrhyjm\u00eb sa her\u00eb ka nevoj\u00eb p\u00ebr t\u2019i sheshuar rrug\u00ebn, ti krijojm\u00eb konkurrenc\u00eb falso etj (shenj\u00eb e keqe dhe kjo).<\/p>\n<p>N\u00ebse do vazhdojm\u00eb t\u00eb veprojm\u00eb me t\u00eb nj\u00ebjt\u00ebn arroganc\u00eb me t\u00eb cilin humb\u00ebm zgjedhjet, at\u00ebher\u00eb p\u00ebsimi nuk do na b\u00ebhet dot m\u00ebsim, zgjedhja e kryetarit t\u00eb ri nuk do b\u00ebhet dot \u201cfillim i ri\u201d, do ngelet kapitull i vjet\u00ebr, i lexuar dhe m\u00eb par\u00eb.<\/p>\n<p>\u00c7\u2019duhet t\u00eb ndodh\u00eb me zgjedhjen e kryetarit, sipas jush q\u00eb t\u00eb konsiderohet fillim i ri?<\/p>\n<p>Procesi duhet t\u00eb b\u00ebhet i v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, t\u00eb jet\u00eb transparent dhe konkurrues, t\u00eb marr\u00eb koh\u00eb, t\u00eb b\u00ebhet i pjekur dhe me procedura t\u00eb sakta, pa nd\u00ebrhyrje, ndikim t\u00eb parregullt e manipulime. Procesi duhet t\u2019i n\u00ebnshtrohet debatit t\u00eb fort\u00eb n\u00eb publik midis kandidat\u00ebve dhe mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsve t\u00eb tyre. Partia duhet t\u00eb hapet p\u00ebr mb\u00ebshtet\u00ebsit e t\u00eb gjith\u00eb kandidat\u00ebve, shqiptar\u00ebt duhet t\u00eb shoq\u00ebrojn\u00eb procesin me opinione, an\u00ebsi, komente, sondazhe, pse jo me votim.<\/p>\n<p>Sa m\u00eb masiv dhe p\u00ebrfshir\u00ebs t\u00eb jet\u00eb ky proces, aq m\u00eb shum\u00eb sinergji pozitive kan\u00eb p\u00ebr tu \u00e7liruar, aq m\u00eb e sh\u00ebndosh\u00eb dhe e forte do mund t\u00eb dal\u00eb n\u00eb fund t\u00eb tij partia, aq m\u00eb shpejt do mund t\u00eb rikuperoj\u00eb ajo nga humbja. K\u00ebto q\u00eb un\u00eb them nuk jan\u00eb as shpikje, as sakrilegj, as t\u00eb majta, as t\u00eb djathta, as t\u00eb panjohura m\u00eb par\u00eb. Jan\u00eb dije universale, jan\u00eb praktika t\u00eb mira politike dhe partiake.<\/p>\n<p>Por q\u00eb procesi t\u00eb jet\u00eb i v\u00ebrtet\u00eb, ai duhet t\u00eb filloj\u00eb nga analiza serioze dhe e \u00e7ilt\u00ebr e humbjes son\u00eb dramatike. Pa t\u00eb nuk fillon dot sh\u00ebrimi. Pa t\u00eb zgjedhja e kryetarit t\u00eb ri nuk \u00e7lirohet dot nga paragjykimi. Pa t\u00eb nuk i shp\u00ebtojm\u00eb dot arroganc\u00ebs.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>TemA Online, 2 Korrik 2013 \u201cKryetari i Partis\u00eb, kryeministri i vendit, e prezantoi fushat\u00ebn si betej\u00ebn e tij personale. Fitorja dhe humbja k\u00ebt\u00eb her\u00eb mund t\u00eb kishin vet\u00ebm nj\u00eb em\u00ebr, emrin e tij. I gjith\u00eb lidershipi i PD-s\u00eb pranoi me k\u00ebnaq\u00ebsi t\u00eb zhdukej nga faqja e dheut, t\u00eb zhb\u00ebhej, t\u00eb vihej n\u00eb bisht. 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