{"id":12566,"date":"2013-03-29T10:22:00","date_gmt":"2013-03-29T09:22:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/fjala.info\/?p=1687"},"modified":"2013-03-29T10:22:00","modified_gmt":"2013-03-29T09:22:00","slug":"debatihistorianet-turqia-4-vjetpresione-per-ceshtjen-turke","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/fjala.info\/2009-2015\/debatihistorianet-turqia-4-vjetpresione-per-ceshtjen-turke\/","title":{"rendered":"Debati\/Historian\u00ebt: Turqia 4 vjetpresione p\u00ebr \u00e7\u00ebshtjen turke"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-thumbnail wp-image-7236\" title=\"Demir Dyrmishi\" alt=\"\" src=\"http:\/\/www.fjala.info\/2013\/demir_dyrmishi.jpg\" width=\"150\" \/> <em><strong>Kultur\u00eb\/Histori<\/strong><\/em> Nga <strong>DHURATA HAMZAI<\/strong>, <em>29 Mars 2013<\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>TIRANE<\/em> &#8211; \u00c7far\u00eb fshihet pas k\u00ebrkes\u00ebs s\u00eb qeveris\u00eb s\u00eb Turqis\u00eb q\u00eb ka k\u00ebrkuar nga Ministria e Arsimit, Shkenc\u00ebs dhe Teknologjis\u00eb n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, q\u00eb librat shkollor\u00eb t\u00eb historis\u00eb t\u00eb rishikohen dhe t\u00eb korrigjohen. A \u00ebsht\u00eb shtremb\u00ebruar imazhi i v\u00ebrtet\u00eb i Turqis\u00eb nga historian\u00ebt shqiptar\u00eb p\u00ebr periudh\u00ebn e pushtimit t\u00eb Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb prej saj.<\/p>\n<p>C\u2019mendojn\u00eb historian\u00ebt. C\u2019mendin kan\u00eb Prof. Dr. Demir Dyrmishi dhe akademiku Prof. Dr Mark Tirtja, p\u00ebr peticionin e 127 intelektual\u00eb shqiptar\u00eb, mes tyre edhe shkrimtari i njohur Ismail Kadare, kund\u00ebr n\u00ebnshkrimit t\u00eb historis\u00eb n\u00ebn mbik\u00ebqyrjen e autoriteteve turke. Ai i bashkohen ata mendimit t\u00eb k\u00ebtyre intelektual\u00ebve se \u201cfaktet historike dhe argumentet shkencore s\u2019mund t\u00eb ndryshohen me nd\u00ebrhyrje t\u00eb jashtme\u201d. N\u00eb intervist\u00ebn p\u00ebr \u201cShqiptarja.com\u201d t\u00eb dy studiuesit e njohur flasin se cilat jan\u00eb marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniet mes perandoris\u00eb pushtuese osmane dhe kombi t\u00eb pushtuar shqiptar.<\/p>\n<p><strong>DYRMISHI: TURQIT PUSHTUES, DO T\u00cb TRAJTOHEN SI T\u00cb TILL\u00cb<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Zoti Dyrmishi, si historian si e keni pritur peticionin q\u00eb kan\u00eb firmosur 127 intelektual\u00ebt kund\u00ebr p\u00ebrpjekjeve t\u00eb pal\u00ebs turke p\u00ebr nd\u00ebrhyrje n\u00eb ndryshimin e historis\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\n-T\u00eb mos nd\u00ebrhyhet. M\u00eb mir\u00eb se kushdo tjet\u00ebr e din\u00eb historian\u00ebt dhe studiuesit, t\u00eb cil\u00ebt e njohin mir\u00eb historin\u00eb e vendit ton\u00eb. Turqit kan\u00eb qen\u00eb pushtues dhe do t\u00eb trajtohen si t\u00eb till\u00eb nga historia shqiptare pa p\u00ebrjashtuar aspak miq\u00ebsin\u00eb midis dy vendeve. Kjo \u00ebsht\u00eb nj\u00eb k\u00ebrkes\u00eb e nxituar nga qeveria turke. K\u00ebtu m\u00eb duket sikur ka nj\u00eb prapavij\u00eb politike. Ne duhet t\u2019i trajtojm\u00eb nj\u00ebsoj pushtuesit, qofshin ata turq, grek\u00eb, serbo-malazes\u00eb, apo edhe pushtuesit e m\u00ebvonsh\u00ebm fashist\u00eb e nazist\u00eb. Gjat\u00eb pes\u00eb shekujve turqit jan\u00eb sjell si pushtues. Kan\u00eb islamizuar me dhun\u00eb popullsin\u00eb shqiptare, direkt apo indirekt. Shqiptar\u00ebt jan\u00eb detyruar nga ligjet e Perandoris\u00eb Osmane q\u00eb t\u00eb nd\u00ebrrojn\u00eb fen\u00eb, sepse n\u00ebse nuk e ndryshonin nuk shp\u00ebtonin dot nga detyrimet q\u00eb vinte Porta e Lart\u00eb ndaj t\u00eb krishter\u00ebve. Shumica e shqiptar\u00ebve p\u00ebr t\u00eb kaluar situat\u00ebn mbanin dy emra. Nuk jan\u00eb t\u00eb pakta rastet kur n\u00eb nj\u00eb mbiem\u00ebr ka p\u00ebrb\u00ebrje t\u00eb tilla; nj\u00eb em\u00ebr \u00ebsht\u00eb turk, tjetri ortodoks, si Haxhimihali p.sh.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Pse mori shkas p\u00ebr nj\u00eb k\u00ebrkes\u00eb e till\u00eb qeveria turke?<\/strong><br \/>\n-Kjo k\u00ebrkes\u00eb ka shum\u00eb koh\u00eb q\u00eb ka filluar. Imponimin q\u00eb k\u00ebrkon t\u00eb b\u00ebj\u00eb qeveria turke e kemi ndjer\u00eb n\u00eb nj\u00eb konferenc\u00eb shkencore t\u00eb b\u00ebr\u00eb 3-4 vjet m\u00eb par\u00eb: ku u orientua q\u00eb si n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri, brenda apo jasht\u00eb kufijve t\u00eb saj, studiues t\u00eb ndrysh\u00ebm turq kan\u00eb k\u00ebrkuar madje me insistim q\u00eb t\u00eb rishikohet historia e popullit shqiptar n\u00eb marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniet me qeverit\u00eb turke dhe shtetin turk. Ata e kan\u00eb marr\u00eb p\u00ebrgjigjen nga studiuesit dhe historian\u00ebt. Un\u00eb personalisht jam nj\u00eb nga ata historian\u00eb q\u00eb nuk jam dakord me k\u00ebt\u00eb k\u00ebrkes\u00eb djall\u00ebzore t\u00eb qeveris\u00eb turke. I p\u00ebrmbahem parimit se \u00e7do popull e b\u00ebn\u00eb vet\u00eb historin\u00eb me fakte dhe dokumente, e jo me nd\u00ebrhyrje apo presion nga jasht\u00eb. Ne kemi historian\u00eb q\u00eb e kan\u00eb studiuar m\u00eb s\u00eb miri historin\u00eb e Mesjet\u00ebs, \u00ebsht\u00eb P\u00ebllumb Xhufi, ka b\u00ebr\u00eb studime edhe akademik Kristo Frash\u00ebri koh\u00ebt e fundit, etj.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Po pse that\u00eb q\u00eb ka nj\u00eb prapavij\u00eb politike n\u00eb k\u00ebrkes\u00ebn p\u00ebr rishikimin e periudh\u00ebs s\u00eb sundimit osman?<\/strong><br \/>\n-Sepse m\u00eb duket se po spekulohet me k\u00ebrkes\u00ebn e popullit shqiptar p\u00ebr t\u00eb hyr\u00eb n\u00eb Europ\u00eb. Spekulimi ka vend k\u00ebtu, sepse integrimi i \u00e7do populli n\u00eb Europ\u00eb nis me Historin\u00eb dhe Kultur\u00ebn e vet\u00eb komb\u00ebtare. Jasht\u00eb k\u00ebtij identiteti nuk ka integrim. Pra tre-kat\u00ebr vjet\u00ebsh kan\u00eb ardhur studiues nga Turqia p\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje dhe \u00ebsht\u00eb zhvilluar nj\u00eb konferenc\u00eb tek Hotel Tirana, 15-kat\u00ebshi. Madje qeveria turke po iu b\u00ebn ende presion edhe historian\u00ebve t\u00eb vjet\u00ebr t\u00eb tyre, si\u00e7 \u00ebsht\u00eb edhe Bilal Simsir dhe disa t\u00eb tjer\u00eb q\u00eb kan\u00eb shkruar objektivisht p\u00ebr historin\u00eb e Shqip\u00ebris\u00eb, q\u00eb p\u00ebr sa i p\u00ebrket k\u00ebsaj historie t\u2019i ndryshojn\u00eb pik\u00ebpamjet e tyre.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Po nga historian\u00ebt dhe akademik\u00ebt si u prit propozimi i pal\u00ebs turke n\u00eb at\u00eb koh\u00eb?<\/strong><br \/>\n-Akademik\u00ebt dhe studiuesit kan\u00eb mbajtur q\u00ebndrimin e tyre, por nuk kuptoj pse institucionet kan\u00eb heshtur gjat\u00eb k\u00ebsaj kohe, saq\u00eb lejohet t\u00eb dalin n\u00eb plan t\u00eb par\u00eb s\u00ebrish k\u00ebrkesa t\u00eb tilla absurde. P\u00ebr k\u00ebt\u00eb \u00e7\u00ebshtje t\u00eb gjith\u00eb heshtin, edhe akademik\u00ebt q\u00eb jan\u00eb kund\u00ebr. Ka folur e flet vet\u00ebm P\u00ebllumb Xhufi. Nuk e kuptoj pse nuk flet asnjeri tjet\u00ebr. Akademik\u00ebt I din\u00eb mir\u00eb k\u00ebto p\u00ebrplasje. Ata duhet t\u00eb ngren\u00eb z\u00ebrin dhe ta b\u00ebjn\u00eb publike \u00e7\u00ebshtjen. Akademik\u00ebt nuk duhet t\u00eb n\u00ebnshtrohen politikisht. Madje p\u00ebr mua n\u00ebse mund ta them k\u00ebt\u00eb, nj\u00eb faj ka Instituti i Studimeve Albanologjike. Instituti duhet t\u00eb prononcohet dhe t\u00eb mos lejohet politika e asnj\u00eb shteti q\u00eb t\u00eb deformoj\u00eb historin\u00eb e popullit ton\u00eb n\u00eb interes t\u00eb imazhit t\u00eb nj\u00eb populli tjet\u00ebr n\u00eb p\u00ebrpjekjet p\u00ebr t\u2019u integruar n\u00eb Europ\u00eb.<\/p>\n<p><strong>AKADEMIKU MARK TIRTJA: TURQIT NA VE\u00c7UAN PREJ 500 VJET\u00cbSH NGA QYTET\u00cbRIMI I EUROP\u00cbS<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Akademiku Mark Tirtja duke studiuar historin\u00eb t\u00eb lidhur me etnografin\u00eb, ka kuptuar se disa lloj marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniesh mes popullit turk jan\u00eb lidhura me m\u00ebnyr\u00ebn e t\u00eb jetuarit, ku fillimisht kan\u00eb nisur marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniet p\u00ebr burime ekonomike dhe tregon sesi m\u00eb von\u00eb u krijuan kushtet e pushtimit osman.<\/p>\n<p><strong>E paskeni lexuar lajmin p\u00ebr peticionin e 127 intelektual\u00ebve kund\u00ebr ndikimit t\u00eb Turqis\u00eb p\u00ebr ndryshimet e historis\u00eb s\u00eb periudh\u00ebs osmane. Cila do t\u00eb ishte p\u00ebrgjigjja juaj n\u00eb k\u00ebt\u00eb rast?<\/strong><br \/>\n-Mendimi im \u00ebsht\u00eb q\u00eb kemi shtetin ton\u00eb dhe vet\u00ebm ai duhet t\u00eb marr\u00eb vendime se \u00e7far\u00eb duhet t\u00eb b\u00ebjm\u00eb me studimet historike apo kulturore. Problemet q\u00eb dalin n\u00eb k\u00ebto studime, ne mundet t\u2019i trajtojm\u00eb vet\u00eb me studiuesit dhe akademik\u00ebt tan\u00eb dhe jo me komisione t\u00eb huaja. Sigurisht, n\u00ebse koha k\u00ebrkon ndryshime, ne do t\u2019i b\u00ebjm\u00eb ato sipas k\u00ebrkes\u00ebs s\u00eb koh\u00ebs. Por duhet t\u2019u themi pushtuesve t\u00eb mos na tregojn\u00eb rrug\u00ebn e popullit ton\u00eb n\u00eb histori. Ato, q\u00eb kan\u00eb ndodhur n\u00eb Mesjet\u00eb dhe njihen historikisht prej m\u00eb shum\u00eb se 500 vjet\u00ebsh, nuk mund t\u2019i zhb\u00ebj\u00eb dot asnj\u00eb historian. Ne nuk mund ta p\u00ebrmbysim historin\u00eb. N\u00ebse p\u00ebrmbysim at\u00eb, ne p\u00ebrmbysim vlerat e v\u00ebrteta t\u00eb popullit ton\u00eb, luft\u00ebrat p\u00ebr liri, q\u00ebndres\u00ebn, gjakun q\u00eb kan\u00eb derdhur shqiptar\u00ebt duke luftuar pushtuesit turq. K\u00ebto vlera na i njohin historian\u00ebt e gjith\u00eb Europ\u00ebs.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Ju si etnolog, si e shpjegoni q\u00eb ne na jan\u00eb asimiluar shum\u00eb lloje traditash t\u00eb qytet\u00ebrimit ton\u00eb duke marr\u00eb ato turke?<\/strong><br \/>\nUn\u00eb jam etnolog q\u00eb jam edhe i lidhur me historin\u00eb, sepse traditat, zakonet, kostumet dhe m\u00ebnyra e jetes\u00ebs lidhen shum\u00eb me ndikimet nga pushtuesit dhe periudhat e marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnieve reciproke nga m\u00eb t\u00eb hershmet. Kjo m\u00eb ka qart\u00ebsuar marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniet me pushtuesit osman\u00eb. Turqit sigurisht q\u00eb kan\u00eb qen\u00eb pushtues, por ata q\u00eb t\u00eb b\u00ebheshin t\u00eb till\u00eb p\u00ebrfituan nga kontradiktat mes popujve t\u00eb Ballkanit. Madje ata p\u00ebrfituan n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri duke ardhur n\u00eb sh\u00ebrbim t\u00eb princave shqiptar\u00eb, t\u00eb cil\u00ebt nuk ishin shum\u00eb t\u00eb bashkuar, dhe duhet th\u00ebn\u00eb se n\u00eb fillim ne i prum\u00eb vet\u00eb si pushtues. Shikimi me v\u00ebrtet\u00ebsi i historis\u00eb duhet t\u00eb jet\u00eb nj\u00eb objektiv shkencor dhe jo t\u00eb kthejm\u00eb mbrapsht thelbin e historis\u00eb. Un\u00eb jam p\u00ebr mendimin q\u00eb historia e pushtimit t\u00eb mos mohohet, por n\u00eb histori n\u00eb marr\u00ebdh\u00ebniet mes popujve nuk duhen par\u00eb vet\u00ebm luft\u00ebrat.<\/p>\n<p>Duhet studiuar m\u00eb thell\u00eb bashk\u00ebjetesa e popujve n\u00eb fazat e zhvillimit t\u00eb miq\u00ebsive dhe armiq\u00ebsive mes tyre. Disa tradita u asimiluan, por shum\u00eb tradita thelb\u00ebsore mbet\u00ebn. Mbet\u00ebn veshjet, kostumet, fustanellat, xhubletat. Por, ku ishte m\u00eb i fort\u00eb ndikimi u fut edhe kultura orientale. Ne n\u00eb \u00e7do koh\u00eb kemi marr\u00eb kultur\u00eb nga Lindja, nga Orienti. K\u00ebt\u00eb e ka b\u00ebr\u00eb edhe Europa, sepse kultura e Lindjes nuk erdhi vet\u00ebm me pushtimin, por erdhi edhe me ekomonin\u00eb, tregtin\u00eb, udh\u00ebtimet. Megjithat\u00eb, n\u00eb Shqip\u00ebri kan\u00eb hyr\u00eb shum\u00eb element\u00eb q\u00eb na kan\u00eb ve\u00e7uar ne prej 500 vjet\u00ebsh nga qytet\u00ebrimi i Europ\u00ebs, ku kishim zanafill\u00ebn ton\u00eb. Pushtuesit turq arrit\u00ebn na ndan\u00eb nga vendet e zhvilluara.<\/p>\n<p><strong>JA DISA NDRYSHIMET N\u00cb HISTORIOGRAFIN\u00cb TURKE<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Historiografia turke po tenton t\u00eb portretizoj\u00eb periudh\u00ebn osmane si \u201cepok\u00ebn e art\u00eb\u201d t\u00eb Ballkanit. Jo vet\u00ebm historiani turq Bilal Simsir e ka k\u00ebt\u00eb mendim, por edhe Dennis P. Hupchick, profesor i n\u00eb Universitetin e Pensilvanis\u00eb, q\u00eb studion Lindjen evropiane mendojn\u00eb se paraqitja e historis\u00eb osmane \u00ebsht\u00eb e gabuar, jo vet\u00ebm n\u00eb tekstet shqiptare por te t\u00eb gjitha vendet e Ballkanit . Bilal Simsir e quan marr\u00ebdh\u00ebnie miq\u00ebsore, sepse 28 vezir\u00eb t\u00eb Perandoris\u00eb Osmane ishin me prejardhje shqiptare. Historiani Hupchick shkruan se \u201cn\u00eb epok\u00ebn osmane nuk ka pasur arsye q\u00eb ta b\u00ebjn\u00eb t\u00eb nevojshme kryengritjen e p\u00ebrgjithshme shqiptare\u201d.<\/p>\n<p><em>(Intervistat u publikuan sot ne gazeten Shqiptarja.com)<br \/>\n(sg\/shqiptajra.com)<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Kultur\u00eb\/Histori Nga DHURATA HAMZAI, 29 Mars 2013 TIRANE &#8211; \u00c7far\u00eb fshihet pas k\u00ebrkes\u00ebs s\u00eb qeveris\u00eb s\u00eb Turqis\u00eb q\u00eb ka k\u00ebrkuar nga Ministria e Arsimit, Shkenc\u00ebs dhe Teknologjis\u00eb n\u00eb Kosov\u00eb, q\u00eb librat shkollor\u00eb t\u00eb historis\u00eb t\u00eb rishikohen dhe t\u00eb korrigjohen. 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